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  • I tend to lean conservative and no the driver should not be charged

    8 16.33%
  • I tend to lean conservative and yes the driver should be charged

    10 20.41%
  • I tend to lean liberal and no the driver should not be charged

    3 6.12%
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Thread: Car vs Protesters - Who was right?

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    Re: Car vs Protesters - Who was right?

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    I actually said that I wouldn't mind this going to a jury trial. How should I vote? You're whole argument in that thread is that only the driver's actions should be scrutinized but not the actions of the crowd in impeding traffic.
    Please, show me that. Show me where I said that. I don't know if they had a permit - and if not they probably shouldn't have been in the streets. But again, illegal protests - if it was illegal - are not on the same level to me as reckless driving.

    But why wouldn't you just say what you just said in the thread instead of this:

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    Gotta tell you, if an angry crowd surrounded my car, leaving me no other way out, they'd better move themselves or you bet I'd move them.
    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    Exactly, crowds are unpredictable. You can say it was a non threatening situtiation but we already know your sainted Ferguson protesters had been violent and destructive. I see a group of people in the street, impeding progress I'm trying to legally make, I'm not going to be very inclined just to wait to see if they're going to offer me tea.
    That's the X Factor I got. Not, "well maybe it could go to a jury trial". For what reason?
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    Re: Car vs Protesters - Who was right?

    For consideration: imagine you're in your in a place where you're legally driving your vehicle. A crowd gathers around your car. Images of violent protestors saturate the news. Do you wait around to see if they're offering hugs?
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    Re: Car vs Protesters - Who was right?

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    For consideration: imagine you're in your in a place where you're legally driving your vehicle. A crowd gathers around your car. Images of violent protestors saturate the news. Do you wait around to see if they're offering hugs?
    So is that it? You're living in Imaginationland while I'm watching a video of what really happened? I don't get it.

    Why argue for pages and then come here and essentially say we agree but chastise me because I'm not hard enough on the protesters?
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    Re: Car vs Protesters - Who was right?

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    Please, show me that.
    Sure thing oh he of selective vision:

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    Ah but if you think the actions of the crowd is irrelevant to a jury, well it's not and in this case, it's very relevant. I think a lot of people (not completely hellbent on defending the protestors at all cost) could put themselves in a situation like that and think "I wouldn't stick around either given everything that had gone on prior to that point". In fact, a jury would be instructed to view the situation from the shoes of the defendant (in this case the driver).

    I will say that I would have no trouble if this went to a jury trial, no matter the outcome. This is exactly what trials are for.

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    Show me where I said that. I don't know if they had a permit - and if not they probably shouldn't have been in the streets. But again, illegal protests - if it was illegal - are not on the same level to me as reckless driving.
    That's the first time you suggested that the crowd might actually have done something, anything, wrong.

    Could you make up your mind about whether you think it was reckless or intentional?

    But why wouldn't you just say what you just said in the thread instead of this:





    That's the X Factor I got. Not, "well maybe it could go to a jury trial". For what reason?
    I meant what I said, I'm in that situation and, yes, I could see myself wanting to get out of it, especially if I have family in the car. Illegally put yourself in front of my vehicle to keep me some place I don't want to be at your own risk.
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    Re: Car vs Protesters - Who was right?

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    Thank you for keeping the thread on topic.
    You're welcome. I think you should have made the votes public and leave the 'lean' stuff off. You've been here quite a while and you should know a person lean by now.


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    Re: Car vs Protesters - Who was right?

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    It is my argument that the entire Ferguson issue has become almost entirely divided down party lines. In fact, so divided, that even the simple driving of a car into a group of people is divisive. Some people think it was within the drivers right and some don't. I'm posting this poll to get an idea of what your lean is (liberal vs conservative) and where you stand on whether the driver should be charged or not.

    If you have not seen or looked into this yet, here are videos shot of the incident:



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    The last option should say liberal - could a mod edit that for me?
    No option for me, I'm neither conservative nor liberal.

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    Re: Car vs Protesters - Who was right?

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    So is that it? You're living in Imaginationland while I'm watching a video of what really happened? I don't get it.
    The difference is that I don't see the driver's actions in a vacuum as you're demanding everyone does then claim all hysterically that we're ok with people getting run over.

    Why argue for pages and then come here and essentially say we agree but chastise me because I'm not hard enough on the protesters?
    Oh shove it. You're no victim. I wouldn't expect you to recognize any responsiblity for the way you behaved in that thread having anything to do with the replies you got so I won't waste my time. Had you not gotten so immediately self righteous and incensed you could have seen what people were saying.
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    Re: Car vs Protesters - Who was right?

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    The driver of the car is wrong, pedestrians have the right of way.
    Oh yeah? We had a sad traffic fatality here where an elderly couple got run over by a car. They were in the road where they weren't supposed to be. The driver was not speeding nor intoxicated, they just didn't have the time to avoid the collision. Guess what? No charges (nor should there be).
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    Re: Car vs Protesters - Who was right?

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    Sure thing oh he of selective vision:
    I'm sorry, between the 30,000 posts directed at me between you and your buddies I didn't get a chance to read something you said to someone else.

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    That's the first time you suggested that the crowd might actually have done something, anything, wrong. Could you make up your mind about whether you think it was reckless or intentional?
    I gave up on intentional because, legally, it doesn't matter. You can have no intent if you are reckless, which he was.


    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    I meant what I said, I'm in that situation and, yes, I could see myself wanting to get out of it, especially if I have family in the car. Illegally put yourself in front of my vehicle to keep me some place I don't want to be at your own risk.
    Good luck with that. There are cases where I can see what you mean:



    This guy was clearly being obstructed and was under threat from a large group of people. The video in the OP shows nothing like that.
    Ted Cruz is the dumbest person alive.

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    Re: Car vs Protesters - Who was right?

    Quote Originally Posted by CMPancake View Post
    Hold on, are people really defending someone for running over protesters?
    Nope. You're being played.

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