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Do you really believe in religion or do you conform for socioeconomic advantages?

Do you really believe in religion or do you conform for socioeconomic advantages?

  • Yes I really believe in religion.

    Votes: 20 83.3%
  • No I conform belief in religion for socioeconomic advantages

    Votes: 4 16.7%

  • Total voters
    24
I definitely am.


I mean how can anyone blame young men of my generation honestly? Logically everyone knows religion is untrue. Most men are rational.



-All the women worth having in the looks department are on the mainstream "big yard, big house, two kids and we're going to church on Sundays or at least saying we do" grape vine.



You're either going to play along to put a smile on their face or you're going to settle for less attractive women, it's that simple. The ironic part is they're not even that religious. They just like the idea of being religious but with women they can't admit this as most men can. They wear their emotions and ideology on their sleeve.

1. You might want to move to a more sophisticated community.
2. Are the Christian women really more attractive, or are they just more willing to conform to mainstream standards for makeup and clothing etc? You might want to reconsider what you consider attractive, especially for a long time partner. Many seemingly attractive women only look good because they are good at the cosmetics and clothing game, but they won't age well. When women are older, clothing and makeup can only go so far.
 
If you respect women then let me pose this basic question to you and try to answer it objectively if you would please.

If a woman decides to be with a man based off her judgement about that man, who are you to judge her as an independent woman that she "was conned"? That sounds extremely degrading to your faith in women if you ask me. Perhaps you might want to check your claimed respect of your fellow women.

No one, and I don't. I judge you for lying to her to get in her pants, as I said.
 
No one, and I don't. I judge you for lying to her to get in her pants, as I said.

Who said anything about lying?

I'm a Christian officially. I wear a cross necklace and say god in sentences now and then.


If a grown woman has made a decision to be with someone I think you should respect that adults decision and not demean her. Women are smart and you should respect their choices.
 
Who said anything about lying?

I'm a Christian officially. I wear a cross necklace and say god in sentences now and then.

If a grown woman has made a decision to be with someone I think you should respect that adults decision and not demean her. Women are smart and you should respect their choices.

You don't think it would matter to her that you don't actually believe, if her belief you're Christian was a major factor in her deciding to be with you? You're full of crap.

I respect their choices. I don't respect your lies.
 
Do tell, Eco, what "advantages" have I received because of my religion?

As if systemic privilege does not exist for Christians as well as whites.

Hell! I've spent basically my entire life in the "Bible Belt" of the American Southeast, where Catholics are a minority, and not a particularly well liked one at that.

Victim card.
 
1. You might want to move to a more sophisticated community.
2. Are the Christian women really more attractive, or are they just more willing to conform to mainstream standards for makeup and clothing etc? You might want to reconsider what you consider attractive, especially for a long time partner. Many seemingly attractive women only look good because they are good at the cosmetics and clothing game, but they won't age well. When women are older, clothing and makeup can only go so far.


1: Eh, I did and it was the same. The attractive women are still religious, just in a more upper class way with more upper class values. Again, I can attest that most good looking American women are religious and expect you to be as well.

2: Yes, they are. You have to see it through the correct prism though and not an emotional one. They're better looking because they're part of the "In-Club" of socioeconomic America. It actually makes sense if you think about it for awhile. If you were a gorgeous young women, wouldn't you want the most eligible man you knew you could attain? Absolutely you would. How would you do that? The answer is clear. Be in the strongest, most viable socioeconomic club in your country, whatever that is. In America, that's being a Christian. So that's exactly where they are. It isn't rocket science, it's actually really really simple and base.
 
You don't think it would matter to her that you don't actually believe, if her belief you're Christian was a major factor in her deciding to be with you? You're full of crap.

I respect their choices. I don't respect your lies.

He may wind up finding another dishonest atheist and they can live happily ever after. They'll probably be one of those many parents that force their kids to go to Sunday school/church every week but attend only on holidays themselves.
 
As if systemic privilege does not exist for Christians as well as whites.

You didn't answer the question.

What specific advantage does it confer, Eco?

Victim card.

Are you going to deny the historic and cultural animosity which has traditionally existed between Catholics and Protestants, particularly in the American "Bible Belt?"
 
1: Eh, I did and it was the same. The attractive women are still religious, just in a more upper class way with more upper class values. Again, I can attest that most good looking American women are religious and expect you to be as well.

2: Yes, they are. You have to see it through the correct prism though and not an emotional one. They're better looking because they're part of the "In-Club" of socioeconomic America. It actually makes sense if you think about it for awhile. If you were a gorgeous young women, wouldn't you want the most eligible man you knew you could attain? Absolutely you would. How would you do that? The answer is clear. Be in the strongest, most viable socioeconomic club in your country, whatever that is. In America, that's being a Christian. So that's exactly where they are. It isn't rocket science, it's actually really really simple and base.

In the more sophisticated cities, like NYC, LA and SF, church goers are not the most eligible, upscale people. In those places, most church goers are immigrants or poor minorities.
 
You didn't answer the question.

What specific advantage does it confer, Eco?

You misunderstand, it's not about specific advantage, it's about systemic privilege. You need to understand that concept before you can begin to discuss what others are talking about.

Are you going to deny the historic and cultural animosity which has traditionally existed between Catholics and Protestants, particularly in the American "Bible Belt?"

Victim card.
 
You don't think it would matter to her that you don't actually believe, if her belief you're Christian was a major factor in her deciding to be with you? You're full of crap.

I respect their choices. I don't respect your lies.

But you totally don't respect her choice at all.


-You're assuming she doesn't really know I'm not very religious. Women want you to appear religious. They don't believe themselves most of them.

-You aren't respecting her choice. She's there. You're not. You're using the same logic of an Iranian Mullah.
 
In the more sophisticated cities, like NYC, LA and SF, church goers are not the most eligible, upscale people. In those places, most church goers are immigrants.


Actually they still very much are religious if they're the eligible mainstream groups I speak of. Again, we maybe disagree as to who is and isn't the eligible and I have no qualms with a divergence in opinion there.
 
I don't really get what you mean by socioeconomic reasons. Unless you're running a church, what difference does it make?

(Didn't vote -- I'm an atheist.)

One can get ahead in life by knowing the senior people in a given community by going to first (something) church.
 
1: Eh, I did and it was the same. The attractive women are still religious, just in a more upper class way with more upper class values. Again, I can attest that most good looking American women are religious and expect you to be as well.

2: Yes, they are. You have to see it through the correct prism though and not an emotional one. They're better looking because they're part of the "In-Club" of socioeconomic America. It actually makes sense if you think about it for awhile. If you were a gorgeous young women, wouldn't you want the most eligible man you knew you could attain? Absolutely you would. How would you do that? The answer is clear. Be in the strongest, most viable socioeconomic club in your country, whatever that is. In America, that's being a Christian. So that's exactly where they are. It isn't rocket science, it's actually really really simple and base.

Some of us care about what's inside, rather than shallow appearances and gestures, much less money, which I found is more likely to damage your happiness than improve it, after a certain point.
 
Some of us care about what's inside, rather than shallow appearances and gestures, much less money, which I found is more likely to damage your happiness than improve it, after a certain point.

I care about what's inside too :).
 
But you totally don't respect her choice at all.

-You're assuming she doesn't really know I'm not very religious. Women want you to appear religious. They don't believe themselves most of them.

-You aren't respecting her choice. She's there. You're not. You're using the same logic of an Iranian Mullah.

What do your lies have to do with her? Nothing.

Do you know that, or do you just assume to make yourself feel better? I guess if it's true, then enjoy your mutual dishonesty together. Whatever.

Being anti-manipulation is the same as being a religious dictator? Whatever. :coffeepap
 
I care about what's inside too :).

Not very much, evidently. Putting it high on the list would dictate fluidity on the socioeconomic scale, and also on the looks scale, something you apparently have no time for.
 
What do your lies have to do with her? Nothing.

Do you know that, or do you just assume to make yourself feel better? I guess if it's true, then enjoy your mutual dishonesty together. Whatever.

Being anti-manipulation is the same as being a religious dictator? Whatever. :coffeepap


Okay so then let's be clear about all your assumptions about said woman who goes with a man who isn't truly religious:


-You believe she's incapable of having already discerned that

-You believe she's essentially an idiot

-You believe if she has discerned the truth and still goes with him that she's somehow "manipulative and evil"

-You believe, evidently firmly, that two people who decide they like each other shouldn't be with each other because they could "potentially" disagree on a Cosmic Jewish Zombie Father Figure fable
 
Okay so then let's be clear about all your assumptions about said woman who goes with a man who isn't truly religious:

-You believe she's incapable of having already discerned that

-You believe she's essentially an idiot

-You believe if she has discerned the truth and still goes with him that she's somehow "manipulative and evil"

-You believe, evidently firmly, that two people who decide they like each other shouldn't be with each other because they could "potentially" disagree on a Cosmic Jewish Zombie Father Figure idea

Nope. Unless you think you are a poor liar. If you think you're a good one, she could be a genius and still not know. No one would know, except you. It's not hard to fake religiosity.

Nope again. I don't get it, but if you've both agreed to be publicly Christian and privately non-religious, whatever. But that isn't what you said, and you still aren't now. You have not said at any point that you are honest about your real beliefs. So I am led to the conclusion that you aren't, and you just say such things to release yourself from responsibility for intentfully misleading people.

And nope for a third time. If you disagree on religion and don't mind that, then fine. I've been with many men I don't agree with religiously and it was never a problem. But we were honest about it. If you don't think you could even be with her if she knew you're not religious (and if you did, why would you lie?), then you know your beliefs would be a problem to her, and you are lying to her about something you know is important to her and would change her decision.
 
Nope. Unless you think you are a poor liar. If you think you're a good one, she could be a genius and still not know. No one would know, except you. It's not hard to fake religiosity.

Nope again. I don't get it, but if you've both agreed to be publicly Christian and privately non-religious, whatever. But that isn't what you said, and you still aren't now. You have not said at any point that you are honest about your real beliefs. So I am led to the conclusion that you aren't, and you just say such things to release yourself from responsibility for intentfully misleading people.

And nope for a third time. If you disagree on religion and don't mind that, then fine. I've been with many men I don't agree with religiously and it was never a problem. But we were honest about it. If you don't think you could even be with her if she knew you're not religious (and if you did, why would you lie?), then you know your beliefs would be a problem to her, and you are lying to her about something you know is important to her and would change her decision.



There is no "lying". That seems to be you and others greatest misconception.


I am a Christian in the same way many are. I'm officially one.



Not just that but on a side note, do you think it's really truly immoral to pretend you believe and love the story Peter Pan even when you and everyone else know it's a pretend story? Of course not. There's no immorality there.






That's why your position in this thread is that of the proverbial Iranian Mullah. You're judging me on fake perceptions of morality based on the story of Peter Pan. You and I both know it never happened. So you and I and everyone else in this thread knows nobody is truly immoral for not truly believing it because we all know it never happened.
 
There is no financial gain for most people because of their religion. The threshold for itemizing federal taxes is about $11000 in deductible items. Unless you have a lot of other deductions or have huge charitable donations it is not going to help. Perhaps if you were close to it with mortgage interest or something else church donations may push you over, but it is not a 1 to 1 return on investment. And people who are lower on the wage scale tend to give disproportionately more to their churches. They are not likely benefiting financially from their giving.
 
That doesn't answer the question....

It depends if I'm in the mood to sleep at my 23 year old Catholic gf's ranch house or sleep at my apartment but I usually prefer my own bed. :) When I was sleeping with one of the 19 year old UT ATX track girls from a small town she always wanted me to sleep in her dorm but I never wanted to because her black rm's were loud bitches. I always prefer my bed. I have a nice bed!

But yes I have my own place =)
 
I know for a fact that I don't believe in religion at all but I'm officially a Christian for socioeconomic reasons.

What does one have to do with the other? I know a lot of those who are very religious who are good off due to their socioeconomic advantages and other who are very religious who haven't had that socioeconomic advantage. The same goes for the non-religious. So your title of this thread has me confused.
 
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