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    Re: Do you really believe in religion or do you conform for socioeconomic advantages?

    Quote Originally Posted by SmokeAndMirrors View Post
    Nope. Unless you think you are a poor liar. If you think you're a good one, she could be a genius and still not know. No one would know, except you. It's not hard to fake religiosity.

    Nope again. I don't get it, but if you've both agreed to be publicly Christian and privately non-religious, whatever. But that isn't what you said, and you still aren't now. You have not said at any point that you are honest about your real beliefs. So I am led to the conclusion that you aren't, and you just say such things to release yourself from responsibility for intentfully misleading people.

    And nope for a third time. If you disagree on religion and don't mind that, then fine. I've been with many men I don't agree with religiously and it was never a problem. But we were honest about it. If you don't think you could even be with her if she knew you're not religious (and if you did, why would you lie?), then you know your beliefs would be a problem to her, and you are lying to her about something you know is important to her and would change her decision.


    There is no "lying". That seems to be you and others greatest misconception.


    I am a Christian in the same way many are. I'm officially one.



    Not just that but on a side note, do you think it's really truly immoral to pretend you believe and love the story Peter Pan even when you and everyone else know it's a pretend story? Of course not. There's no immorality there.






    That's why your position in this thread is that of the proverbial Iranian Mullah. You're judging me on fake perceptions of morality based on the story of Peter Pan. You and I both know it never happened. So you and I and everyone else in this thread knows nobody is truly immoral for not truly believing it because we all know it never happened.

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    Re: Do you really believe in religion or do you conform for socioeconomic advantages?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ryan5 View Post
    I'm 27..

    That doesn't answer the question....

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    Re: Do you really believe in religion or do you conform for socioeconomic advantages?

    There is no financial gain for most people because of their religion. The threshold for itemizing federal taxes is about $11000 in deductible items. Unless you have a lot of other deductions or have huge charitable donations it is not going to help. Perhaps if you were close to it with mortgage interest or something else church donations may push you over, but it is not a 1 to 1 return on investment. And people who are lower on the wage scale tend to give disproportionately more to their churches. They are not likely benefiting financially from their giving.

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    Re: Do you really believe in religion or do you conform for socioeconomic advantages?

    Quote Originally Posted by tech30528 View Post
    That doesn't answer the question....
    It depends if I'm in the mood to sleep at my 23 year old Catholic gf's ranch house or sleep at my apartment but I usually prefer my own bed. When I was sleeping with one of the 19 year old UT ATX track girls from a small town she always wanted me to sleep in her dorm but I never wanted to because her black rm's were loud bitches. I always prefer my bed. I have a nice bed!

    But yes I have my own place =)

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    Re: Do you really believe in religion or do you conform for socioeconomic advantages?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ryan5 View Post
    I know for a fact that I don't believe in religion at all but I'm officially a Christian for socioeconomic reasons.
    What does one have to do with the other? I know a lot of those who are very religious who are good off due to their socioeconomic advantages and other who are very religious who haven't had that socioeconomic advantage. The same goes for the non-religious. So your title of this thread has me confused.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: Do you really believe in religion or do you conform for socioeconomic advantages?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    You misunderstand, it's not about specific advantage, it's about systemic privilege. You need to understand that concept before you can begin to discuss what others are talking about.
    You still have of yet to demonstrate the existence of either.

    Victim card.
    So you do, in fact, deny historical and present reality then.

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    Re: Do you really believe in religion or do you conform for socioeconomic advantages?

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    What does one have to do with the other? I know a lot of those who are very religious who are good off due to their socioeconomic advantages and other who are very religious who haven't had that socioeconomic advantage. The same goes for the non-religious. So your title of this thread has me confused.

    I simply mean by this that religion everywhere functions as a river through which various networked people can and do meet on a social, economic level. Certainly this isn't always so and certainly there are religious people who don't know how to properly utilize the networking potential of religious affiliation and certainly there are people like me who aren't religious but know all too well how to utilize or "grease" the network (religion) for what it truly is, a networking tool for money, sex and socioeconomic security.



    Think of every religion as a Soviet Union. Within that union exists:

    A: Masses of adherents who firmly believe in the union but will never grasp its socioeconomic nepotistic rewards structure or figure out how to make it "work" for them like it was created to
    B: A medium sized group of adherents who has reservations but does reap some socioeconomic rewards from the union
    C: The small group that understands fully how to maximize the union for socioeconomic networking at the highest levels of society. This group understands it's a social mafia-esq networking tool. They aren't drinking the cool-aid internally but officially they're the first to shake Stalin's hand, or, in this case, wear a cross necklace.

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    Re: Do you really believe in religion or do you conform for socioeconomic advantages?

    Quote Originally Posted by SmokeAndMirrors View Post
    Some of us care about what's inside, rather than shallow appearances and gestures, much less money, which I found is more likely to damage your happiness than improve it, after a certain point.
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    What do your lies have to do with her? Nothing.

    Do you know that, or do you just assume to make yourself feel better? I guess if it's true, then enjoy your mutual dishonesty together. Whatever.

    Being anti-manipulation is the same as being a religious dictator? Whatever.
    "Caveat emptor," no?

    His approach is, admittedly, hardly the most "moral" with regard to sex and relationships I've ever heard of. However, since when has the modern "sexual marketplace" ever rewarded morality in the first place?

    No offense, but the above seems like kind of an odd criticism coming from a member of the "sexual liberation" and "free love" crowd.
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    Re: Do you really believe in religion or do you conform for socioeconomic advantages?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    "Caveat emptor," no?

    His approach is, admittedly, hardly the most "moral" with regard to sex and relationships I've ever heard of. However, since when has the modern "sexual marketplace" ever rewarded morality in the first place?

    No offense, but the above seems like kind of an odd criticism coming from a member of the "sexual liberation" and "free love" crowd.
    Well yeah. That's the nature of life, really. But that fact doesn't change that people acting immorally deserves scrutiny.

    Dude, "free love"? What the hell do you even mean? I don't believe in a "marketplace," because the very phrase itself attempts to invalidate the value of people's relationships. And I would think that "marketplace" and "love"-anything are naturally contradictory, so I don't very well understand how I could be both simultaneously.

    Instead of your constant moaning about the super-villain hippie-commie you've made up in your head, you could try actually asking me what I think for either myself, or as a general concept, of relationships.

    As a concept, what I advocate is very simple: that people are able to be in the types of relationships they desire, and that all of us act with conscience and ethics towards our partners. This breaks the second part of that.

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    Re: Do you really believe in religion or do you conform for socioeconomic advantages?

    Quote Originally Posted by SmokeAndMirrors View Post
    Well yeah. That's the nature of life, really. But that fact doesn't change that people acting immorally deserves scrutiny.

    Dude, "free love"? What the hell do you even mean? I don't believe in a "marketplace," because the very phrase itself attempts to invalidate the value of people's relationships. And I would think that "marketplace" and "love"-anything are naturally contradictory, so I don't very well understand how I could be both simultaneously.

    Instead of your constant moaning about the super-villain hippie-commie you've made up in your head, you could try actually asking me what I think for either myself, or as a general concept, of relationships.

    As a concept, what I advocate is very simple: that people are able to be in the types of relationships they desire, and that all of us act with conscience and ethics towards our partners. This breaks the second part of that.

    Well, I hate to break to you, but what guys like Ryan "desire" is dat booty.

    Faking religious devotion simply happens to get it for him from women who are either gullible enough to believe the act, or apathetic enough not to care.

    Sooo.... From your ideological perspective, anyway, I'm not seeing the issue.

    Besides which, the "market" is a fact of life, especially given the commodification of sexuality for its own sake our culture has undertaken in recent decades. In that regard, guys like Ryan can essentially be viewed as simply being entrepreneurs like any other.

    He's found, for all intents and purposes, a "marketing gimmick" that happens to work for him.

    I might not happen to approve of his methods. However, as far as results are concerned, they would seem to have achieved the desired effect.
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