View Poll Results: Do you really believe in religion or do you conform for socioeconomic advantages?

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  • Yes I really believe in religion.

    22 81.48%
  • No I conform belief in religion for socioeconomic advantages

    5 18.52%
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    Re: Do you really believe in religion or do you conform for socioeconomic advantages?

    Quote Originally Posted by SmokeAndMirrors View Post
    You don't think it would matter to her that you don't actually believe, if her belief you're Christian was a major factor in her deciding to be with you? You're full of crap.

    I respect their choices. I don't respect your lies.
    But you totally don't respect her choice at all.


    -You're assuming she doesn't really know I'm not very religious. Women want you to appear religious. They don't believe themselves most of them.

    -You aren't respecting her choice. She's there. You're not. You're using the same logic of an Iranian Mullah.

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    Re: Do you really believe in religion or do you conform for socioeconomic advantages?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    In the more sophisticated cities, like NYC, LA and SF, church goers are not the most eligible, upscale people. In those places, most church goers are immigrants.

    Actually they still very much are religious if they're the eligible mainstream groups I speak of. Again, we maybe disagree as to who is and isn't the eligible and I have no qualms with a divergence in opinion there.

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    Re: Do you really believe in religion or do you conform for socioeconomic advantages?

    Quote Originally Posted by SmokeAndMirrors View Post
    I don't really get what you mean by socioeconomic reasons. Unless you're running a church, what difference does it make?

    (Didn't vote -- I'm an atheist.)
    One can get ahead in life by knowing the senior people in a given community by going to first (something) church.

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    Re: Do you really believe in religion or do you conform for socioeconomic advantages?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ryan5 View Post
    1: Eh, I did and it was the same. The attractive women are still religious, just in a more upper class way with more upper class values. Again, I can attest that most good looking American women are religious and expect you to be as well.

    2: Yes, they are. You have to see it through the correct prism though and not an emotional one. They're better looking because they're part of the "In-Club" of socioeconomic America. It actually makes sense if you think about it for awhile. If you were a gorgeous young women, wouldn't you want the most eligible man you knew you could attain? Absolutely you would. How would you do that? The answer is clear. Be in the strongest, most viable socioeconomic club in your country, whatever that is. In America, that's being a Christian. So that's exactly where they are. It isn't rocket science, it's actually really really simple and base.
    Some of us care about what's inside, rather than shallow appearances and gestures, much less money, which I found is more likely to damage your happiness than improve it, after a certain point.

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    Re: Do you really believe in religion or do you conform for socioeconomic advantages?

    Quote Originally Posted by SmokeAndMirrors View Post
    Some of us care about what's inside, rather than shallow appearances and gestures, much less money, which I found is more likely to damage your happiness than improve it, after a certain point.
    I care about what's inside too .

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    Re: Do you really believe in religion or do you conform for socioeconomic advantages?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ryan5 View Post
    But you totally don't respect her choice at all.

    -You're assuming she doesn't really know I'm not very religious. Women want you to appear religious. They don't believe themselves most of them.

    -You aren't respecting her choice. She's there. You're not. You're using the same logic of an Iranian Mullah.
    What do your lies have to do with her? Nothing.

    Do you know that, or do you just assume to make yourself feel better? I guess if it's true, then enjoy your mutual dishonesty together. Whatever.

    Being anti-manipulation is the same as being a religious dictator? Whatever.

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    Re: Do you really believe in religion or do you conform for socioeconomic advantages?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ryan5 View Post
    I care about what's inside too .
    Not very much, evidently. Putting it high on the list would dictate fluidity on the socioeconomic scale, and also on the looks scale, something you apparently have no time for.

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    Re: Do you really believe in religion or do you conform for socioeconomic advantages?

    Quote Originally Posted by SmokeAndMirrors View Post
    What do your lies have to do with her? Nothing.

    Do you know that, or do you just assume to make yourself feel better? I guess if it's true, then enjoy your mutual dishonesty together. Whatever.

    Being anti-manipulation is the same as being a religious dictator? Whatever.

    Okay so then let's be clear about all your assumptions about said woman who goes with a man who isn't truly religious:


    -You believe she's incapable of having already discerned that

    -You believe she's essentially an idiot

    -You believe if she has discerned the truth and still goes with him that she's somehow "manipulative and evil"

    -You believe, evidently firmly, that two people who decide they like each other shouldn't be with each other because they could "potentially" disagree on a Cosmic Jewish Zombie Father Figure fable

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    Re: Do you really believe in religion or do you conform for socioeconomic advantages?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ryan5 View Post
    Okay so then let's be clear about all your assumptions about said woman who goes with a man who isn't truly religious:

    -You believe she's incapable of having already discerned that

    -You believe she's essentially an idiot

    -You believe if she has discerned the truth and still goes with him that she's somehow "manipulative and evil"

    -You believe, evidently firmly, that two people who decide they like each other shouldn't be with each other because they could "potentially" disagree on a Cosmic Jewish Zombie Father Figure idea
    Nope. Unless you think you are a poor liar. If you think you're a good one, she could be a genius and still not know. No one would know, except you. It's not hard to fake religiosity.

    Nope again. I don't get it, but if you've both agreed to be publicly Christian and privately non-religious, whatever. But that isn't what you said, and you still aren't now. You have not said at any point that you are honest about your real beliefs. So I am led to the conclusion that you aren't, and you just say such things to release yourself from responsibility for intentfully misleading people.

    And nope for a third time. If you disagree on religion and don't mind that, then fine. I've been with many men I don't agree with religiously and it was never a problem. But we were honest about it. If you don't think you could even be with her if she knew you're not religious (and if you did, why would you lie?), then you know your beliefs would be a problem to her, and you are lying to her about something you know is important to her and would change her decision.

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    Re: Do you really believe in religion or do you conform for socioeconomic advantages?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    "Christians in name only."
    The vast majority of Christians are Christians in name only.
    There is nothing demonstrably true that religion can provide the world that cannot be achieved more rationally through entirely secular means.

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