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  • No I conform belief in religion for socioeconomic advantages

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    Re: Do you really believe in religion or do you conform for socioeconomic advantages?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ryan5 View Post
    I'm not saying you can't be nonreligious, I'm saying if you want access to the best looking women, the "high life" in America in terms of socioeconomics and flesh, then you need to be religious or at least maintain a fervent moderateness.
    So non religious women are ugly, and conning women into sleeping with you is a life goal.

    Gee, how pleasant.

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    Re: Do you really believe in religion or do you conform for socioeconomic advantages?

    Quote Originally Posted by SmokeAndMirrors View Post
    There are plenty of other non-religious groups one can belong to, and not all peers are so judgmental that they'd dislike you because of your religion.

    Any group gives you certain opportunities, and also takes some away (if you conform to it to such an extent that going outside of it is a non-option).
    Sure, but the vast majority of Americans and likely the vast majority of people in your community are at least ostensibly members of a religion. Furthermore religious communities are among the largest and most accessible in the country. Yeah you could go to your local AHA group but I think you're kidding yourself if you think its on the same level.

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    Re: Do you really believe in religion or do you conform for socioeconomic advantages?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman123 View Post
    Sure, but the vast majority of Americans and likely the vast majority of people in your community are at least ostensibly members of a religion. Furthermore religious communities are among the largest and most accessible in the country. Yeah you could go to your local AHA group but I think you're kidding yourself if you think its on the same level.
    Who says I want it to be?

    Not all religious groups are good. Some are extremely judgmental and damaging to their members.

    Others are good. Just depends.

    But non-religious groups usually lack the extremes of judgmentality, which I think is a good thing -- it makes things less of a guessing game.

    Religious people also join non-religious groups with people of diverse beliefs or non-beliefs.

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    Re: Do you really believe in religion or do you conform for socioeconomic advantages?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ryan5 View Post
    I know for a fact that I don't believe in religion at all but I'm officially a Christian for socioeconomic reasons.
    First off, what "socioeconomic advantages" are you even referring to here?

    There might very well be "good ole' boy networks" of sorts in place in a few very insular religious communities, but I've certainly never taken advantage of any such thing, nor has anyone in my family.

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    Re: Do you really believe in religion or do you conform for socioeconomic advantages?

    Quote Originally Posted by SmokeAndMirrors View Post
    So non religious women are ugly, and conning women into sleeping with you is a life goal.

    Gee, how pleasant.
    Have at least some respect for women, goodness! If a woman makes the choice to sleep with anyone I think you need to respect her right as a woman to make that choice.



    Who is saying nonreligious women are ugly? All I'm saying and have been saying is that the better looking women are usually on the mainstream sociocultural grapevine. They aren't running around in their twenties as avowed atheists. It just is what it is. The women who are secular in their twenties aren't generally ones you'd much want to be with. That's just life.


    I don't view as a male going for the most socioeconomically connected, best looking women (which in America happens to mean Christian) as "conning" women.

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    Re: Do you really believe in religion or do you conform for socioeconomic advantages?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    You are a prime example of what I've always called the "social Christian". You don't really buy into the beliefs, you pretend to do so because you think it makes you look better to the neighbors. I think the vast majority of people who claim to be Christians are actually "social Christians". They don't care about the Bible, they have no idea what they're supposed to believe but wearing a cross or showing up at church for networking purposes now and then gets them somewhere socially.
    "Christians in name only."

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    Re: Do you really believe in religion or do you conform for socioeconomic advantages?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    There might very well be "good ole' boy networks" of sorts in place in a few very insular religious communities, but I've certainly never taken advantage of any such thing, nor has anyone in my family.

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    Re: Do you really believe in religion or do you conform for socioeconomic advantages?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Yes, and?

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    Re: Do you really believe in religion or do you conform for socioeconomic advantages?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jesse Booth View Post
    I am religious for the psychological advantages. There was a short period in my life that I considered myself an atheist, and I felt that it did nothing to improve my life; if anything, I felt depressed and pessimistic much of the time. I eventually got back into being a Christian (but not a member of any church or branch of Christianity, as I do not trust organized religion), and have found no reason to regret my decision. I've never felt the kind of sweeping passion for my religion that some people describe, but I take comfort in my religious principles; they make the bad times more bearable and the good times more enjoyable.

    But as for socioeconomic reasons, no. Haven't considered those, actually. Guess it's an INTJ thing.
    Would you say that you intentionally deceive yourself because it is comforting to do so?

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    Re: Do you really believe in religion or do you conform for socioeconomic advantages?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ryan5 View Post
    Have at least some respect for women, goodness! If a woman makes the choice to sleep with anyone I think you need to respect her right as a woman to make that choice.

    Who is saying nonreligious women are ugly? All I'm saying and have been saying is that the better looking women are usually on the mainstream sociocultural grapevine. They aren't running around in their twenties as avowed atheists. It just is what it is. The women who are secular in their twenties aren't generally ones you'd much want to be with. That's just life.

    I don't view as a male going for the most socioeconomically connected, best looking women (which in America happens to mean Christian) as "conning" women.
    I do. I just don't respect people who lie for manipulative reasons.

    It is? According to whom? So yes, you think nonreligious women must be ugly or otherwise undesirable.

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