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    Re: Do you really believe in religion or do you conform for socioeconomic advantages?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman123 View Post
    What he's also really asking in a way is: Do you conform to the religion you were raised with because of the value of conforming?
    Kind of sort of for me. It largely depends on the situation in terms of who I'm talking to, what I'm talking about, and how much time I want to devote to it.

    I kind of explained this in another thread recently:

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    That's the funny thing with discussions of Deism that I never guite got.

    It's quite possible to be theologically a Deist, while claiming and even actively participating in an established religion for a host of other options.

    In general, when asked my religion I say Christian, as its generally simpler in situations where I don't feel like getting in depth about it with the person. I was raised Christian, if I go to church currently it's to a christian church, when I generally think or offer a prayer to a "god" it's in the Christian mold, and in general I live my life guided by a moral code that was highly influenced by Christian morality. However, when I have time or desire to actually sit and discuss with people I'm probably far closet to a Deist or Agnostic as opposed to a true Christian.

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    Re: Do you really believe in religion or do you conform for socioeconomic advantages?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ryan5 View Post
    I know for a fact that I don't believe in religion at all but I'm officially a Christian for socioeconomic reasons.
    So you call yourself a Christian, even though you aren't.

    I'll remember that you are a dishonest person.
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    Re: Do you really believe in religion or do you conform for socioeconomic advantages?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ryan5 View Post
    Whether or not you are religious can potentially have a big impact on your socioeconomic networking in life.



    Another example would be I sleep with (and want to continue doing so) pretty Christian women. Obviously, me officially being a Christian helps that along nicely.
    You are either a Christian, meaning you are surrender to Christ as your Savior for exactly that reason, or you are not.
    It is not a bargaining position for socio economic advantages.

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    Re: Do you really believe in religion or do you conform for socioeconomic advantages?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ryan5 View Post
    I hear ya. I personally have found it's simply easier to conform and reap the societal benefits of being a Christian even though I'm extremely secular.
    Have you ever heard of secular Jews? You're similar, but Christian.

    Also to note: I hate secular Christians. Lol - But that's because I feel like moderates and conformers only serve to legitimize the behavior of the fundamentalists/extremists.
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    Re: Do you really believe in religion or do you conform for socioeconomic advantages?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    You are a prime example of what I've always called the "social Christian". You don't really buy into the beliefs, you pretend to do so because you think it makes you look better to the neighbors. I think the vast majority of people who claim to be Christians are actually "social Christians". They don't care about the Bible, they have no idea what they're supposed to believe but wearing a cross or showing up at church for networking purposes now and then gets them somewhere socially.
    I definitely am.


    I mean how can anyone blame young men of my generation honestly? Logically everyone knows religion is untrue. Most men are rational.



    -All the women worth having in the looks department are on the mainstream "big yard, big house, two kids and we're going to church on Sundays or at least saying we do" grape vine.



    You're either going to play along to put a smile on their face or you're going to settle for less attractive women, it's that simple. The ironic part is they're not even that religious. They just like the idea of being religious but with women they can't admit this as most men can. They wear their emotions and ideology on their sleeve.

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    Re: Do you really believe in religion or do you conform for socioeconomic advantages?

    Quote Originally Posted by SmokeAndMirrors View Post
    There are plenty of other non-religious groups one can belong to, and not all peers are so judgmental that they'd dislike you because of your religion.

    Any group gives you certain opportunities, and also takes some away (if you conform to it to such an extent that going outside of it is a non-option).
    Oh that's completely not true I'm sorry to say.


    America is a VERY socially conservative country intermeshed with religion even among its supposed liberals. If you want access to quality in America you're going to have to play along to some extent.

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    Re: Do you really believe in religion or do you conform for socioeconomic advantages?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lovebug View Post
    You are either a Christian, meaning you are surrender to Christ as your Savior for exactly that reason, or you are not.
    It is not a bargaining position for socio economic advantages.
    It absolutely is a bargaining position for socioeconomic advantages.


    A pretty Christian woman's pants coming down because you're wearing a piece of metal around your neck shaped a certain way is evidence enough of that.


    Religion is merely a social club that grants access to its benefits structure. You're either going to be a part of that social club and reap the benefits or you're not and you're going to lose out.

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    Re: Do you really believe in religion or do you conform for socioeconomic advantages?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ryan5 View Post
    Oh that's completely not true I'm sorry to say.


    America is a VERY socially conservative country intermeshed with religion even among its supposed liberals. If you want access to quality in America you're going to have to play along to some extent.
    Not unless you're in boondock nowhere in the deep South.

    I've never had any problems with it. Non-religious is the second biggest category of religious opinion in the country. And in probably the majority of the country, the religious are perfectly accepting of the non-religious.

    My best friend is religious, and cares not even a little that I'm not. I've had religious boyfriends. I've been part of a number of groups of mixed types of belief.

    There is nothing you can't have as a non-religious person in this country, that you could have otherwise.

    Yes, we're the most religious country in the developed world, but we're not frickin' Iran. Most people don't care so much that they'd malign you for not agreeing with them. Those who do are intolerant and ignorant, and not people any decent person would spend time with anyway.

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    Re: Do you really believe in religion or do you conform for socioeconomic advantages?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bigfoot 88 View Post
    So you call yourself a Christian, even though you aren't.

    I'll remember that you are a dishonest person.


    I call myself a Christian because I want the social and monetary benefits of that club.


    Christian is simply a 9 letter word. I get that. You don't. (Or maybe you do and you're just staying in character).

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    Re: Do you really believe in religion or do you conform for socioeconomic advantages?

    Quote Originally Posted by SmokeAndMirrors View Post
    Not unless you're in boondock nowhere in the deep South.

    I've never had any problems with it. Non-religious is the second biggest category of religious opinion in the country. And in probably the majority of the country, the religious are perfectly accepting of the non-religious.

    My best friend is religious, and cares not even a little that I'm not. I've had religious boyfriends. I've been part of a number of groups of mixed types of belief.

    There is nothing you can't have as a non-religious person in this country, that you could have otherwise.

    Yes, we're the most religious country in the developed world, but we're not frickin' Iran. Most people don't care so much that they'd malign you for not agreeing with them. Those who do are intolerant and ignorant, and not people any decent person would spend time with anyway.


    I'm not saying you can't be nonreligious, I'm saying if you want access to the best looking women, the "high life" in America in terms of socioeconomics and flesh, then you need to be religious or at least maintain a fervent moderateness.

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