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  • No I conform belief in religion for socioeconomic advantages

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    Re: Do you really believe in religion or do you conform for socioeconomic advantages?

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    Re: Do you really believe in religion or do you conform for socioeconomic advantages?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jesse Booth View Post
    I am religious for the psychological advantages. There was a short period in my life that I considered myself an atheist, and I felt that it did nothing to improve my life; if anything, I felt depressed and pessimistic much of the time. I eventually got back into being a Christian (but not a member of any church or branch of Christianity, as I do not trust organized religion), and have found no reason to regret my decision. I've never felt the kind of sweeping passion for my religion that some people describe, but I take comfort in my religious principles; they make the bad times more bearable and the good times more enjoyable.

    But as for socioeconomic reasons, no. Haven't considered those, actually. Guess it's an INTJ thing.



    I hear ya.


    I personally have found it's simply easier to conform and reap the societal benefits of being a Christian even though I'm extremely secular.



    I can definitely tell that I advance more in my career, get higher socioeconomic status women and just in general get treated better when I wear a cross or advocate my Christianity subtly so on a social level. I do it strictly for the benefits of which there are many, that said, I could never believe in religion on a logical level ever.

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    Re: Do you really believe in religion or do you conform for socioeconomic advantages?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ryan5 View Post
    I hear ya.


    I personally have found it's simply easier to conform and reap the societal benefits of being a Christian even though I'm extremely secular.



    I can definitely tell that I advance more in my career, get higher socioeconomic status women and just in general get treated better when I wear a cross or advocate my Christianity subtly so on a social level. I do it strictly for the benefits of which there are many, that said, I could never believe in religion on a logical level ever.
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    Re: Do you really believe in religion or do you conform for socioeconomic advantages?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ryan5 View Post
    I hear ya.


    I personally have found it's simply easier to conform and reap the societal benefits of being a Christian even though I'm extremely secular.



    I can definitely tell that I advance more in my career, get higher socioeconomic status women and just in general get treated better when I wear a cross or advocate my Christianity subtly so on a social level. I do it strictly for the benefits of which there are many, that said, I could never believe in religion on a logical level ever.
    You are a prime example of what I've always called the "social Christian". You don't really buy into the beliefs, you pretend to do so because you think it makes you look better to the neighbors. I think the vast majority of people who claim to be Christians are actually "social Christians". They don't care about the Bible, they have no idea what they're supposed to believe but wearing a cross or showing up at church for networking purposes now and then gets them somewhere socially.
    There is nothing demonstrably true that religion can provide the world that cannot be achieved more rationally through entirely secular means.

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    Re: Do you really believe in religion or do you conform for socioeconomic advantages?

    Quote Originally Posted by SmokeAndMirrors View Post
    I don't really get what you mean by socioeconomic reasons. Unless you're running a church, what difference does it make?

    (Didn't vote -- I'm an atheist.)
    I think you underestimate the importance of religious communal networks and social acceptance/stature. It's why a Jewish parent might go to Temple for the High Holidays and send his kids to Hebrew School even though he's an atheist, or why a Catholic might do the same for CCD and Mass. You do it to maintain the acceptance of your peers, the ease of networking with your religious peers, access to opportunities you might not otherwise receive, and avoiding the potential glare of being a non-believer.

    What he's also really asking in a way is: Do you conform to the religion you were raised with because of the value of conforming?

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    Re: Do you really believe in religion or do you conform for socioeconomic advantages?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman123 View Post
    I think you underestimate the importance of religious communal networks and social acceptance/stature. It's why a Jewish parent might go to Temple for the High Holidays and send his kids to Hebrew School even though he's an atheist, or why a Catholic might do the same for CCD and Mass. You do it to maintain the acceptance of your peers, the ease of networking with your religious peers, access to opportunities you might not otherwise receive, and avoiding the potential glare of being a non-believer.

    What he's also really asking in a way is: Do you conform to the religion you were raised with because of the value of conforming?
    There are plenty of other non-religious groups one can belong to, and not all peers are so judgmental that they'd dislike you because of your religion.

    Any group gives you certain opportunities, and also takes some away (if you conform to it to such an extent that going outside of it is a non-option).

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    Re: Do you really believe in religion or do you conform for socioeconomic advantages?

    I believe in religion. It does exist. I just don't believe in God.
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    Re: Do you really believe in religion or do you conform for socioeconomic advantages?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman123 View Post
    I think you underestimate the importance of religious communal networks and social acceptance/stature. It's why a Jewish parent might go to Temple for the High Holidays and send his kids to Hebrew School even though he's an atheist, or why a Catholic might do the same for CCD and Mass. You do it to maintain the acceptance of your peers, the ease of networking with your religious peers, access to opportunities you might not otherwise receive, and avoiding the potential glare of being a non-believer.

    What he's also really asking in a way is: Do you conform to the religion you were raised with because of the value of conforming?
    No. I do not conform to the religion in which I was raised. It didn't work for me. I do recognize that it does work for others and I respect that. Interestingly, family and friends and people in general have been very respectful on the decision I made to practice a different religion. They recognize (probably with great relief) that it works for me. All manners of Islam, Judaism, Christianity, Buddhism, Taoism or whatever works at different levels in different manners and even at different times for the people who profess those religions. The same goes for atheism.

    It would be damned nice if people could simply accept the religions and levels of acceptance of other people in or not in a specific religion and leave them alone.

    I would add that professing a religion so that one might attract and bang other people of said religion is practicing a perversion not a religion.
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    Re: Do you really believe in religion or do you conform for socioeconomic advantages?

    I'm an atheist, but at work and to my wife's family, I'm a Christian that doesn't attend church of any kind. They all buy it because I know far more about the Bible than they do.

    At my previous job I was very good friends with my boss. He was my in-laws neighbor. We had a few nights where we hung out at his house and he had too much to drink and was talking about how great Lebanon was (He's a good ole southern boy but his wife is lebanese) because over there they bring the fags and the atheists in to the woods and you never hear from them again, and that's an easy way to deal with them. So needless to say, from there on out I've gone through great lengths to make sure that I'd never be out of a job simply because someone knew I was atheist. As of right now, a handful of close friends and my wife knows that I'm atheist and it's no big deal. But letting any co-workers now would be career suicide from where I'm sitting.
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    Re: Do you really believe in religion or do you conform for socioeconomic advantages?

    Yes, I really believe it. Lying to yourself isn't healthy.

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    I believe in religion. It does exist. I just don't believe in God.
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