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    Re: Is the media inciting the Ferguson riots?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    I am not being defensive... I was trying to make sure we are on the same page by seeking clarification. Helps with misunderstandings...

    Of course racism can be a system. Apartheid. The USA though are people committing specific individual acts unless they are Le Raza, the KKK or the NAACP, for instance.
    Black people get sentences that are 10% longer than White people who have committed the same crimes and have the same backgrounds. Predominantly Black schools get less school funding than predominantly White schools in the same district (which means property tax differences don't explain the difference.) Black and White people smoke the same amount of weed, but Black people are arrested and jailed for marijuana possession more than White people. Employers hire White people over Black people with identical resumes. White people are offered housing contracts over Black people when both have the same economic status and credit score.

    Those aren't "specific individual acts". That is a system. Anybody who doesn't see this should make an appointment with a therapist to discuss why their main coping mechanism is denial.

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    Re: Is the media inciting the Ferguson riots?

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    Black people get sentences that are 10% longer than White people who have committed the same crimes and have the same backgrounds. Predominantly Black schools get less school funding than predominantly White schools in the same district (which means property tax differences don't explain the difference.) Black and White people smoke the same amount of weed, but Black people are arrested and jailed for marijuana possession more than White people. Employers hire White people over Black people with identical resumes. White people are offered housing contracts over Black people when both have the same economic status and credit score.

    Those aren't "specific individual acts". That is a system. Anybody who doesn't see this should make an appointment with a therapist to discuss why their main coping mechanism is denial.
    It would be nice to see the sources of that info.

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    Re: Is the media inciting the Ferguson riots?

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    Black people get sentences that are 10% longer than White people who have committed the same crimes and have the same backgrounds. Predominantly Black schools get less school funding than predominantly White schools in the same district (which means property tax differences don't explain the difference.) Black and White people smoke the same amount of weed, but Black people are arrested and jailed for marijuana possession more than White people. Employers hire White people over Black people with identical resumes. White people are offered housing contracts over Black people when both have the same economic status and credit score.

    Those aren't "specific individual acts". That is a system. Anybody who doesn't see this should make an appointment with a therapist to discuss why their main coping mechanism is denial.
    Yes. I agree that there are massive issues with the legal system. It is racist and it is also sexist. Men get into far more trouble and get substantially more jail time than women do for domestic violence even though almost 40% of all cases are woman against man. They use weapons such as knives in these incidents but they get warnings... I understand this aspect. I just don't see it as a nationwide societal issue.
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    Re: Is the media inciting the Ferguson riots?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    I am not being defensive... I was trying to make sure we are on the same page by seeking clarification. Helps with misunderstandings...

    Of course racism can be a system. Apartheid. The USA though are people committing specific individual acts unless they are Le Raza, the KKK or the NAACP, for instance.
    Yes you were. Throwing around terms such as "race-baiting" when I am simply trying to have an honest conversation about race does not help.
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    Re: Is the media inciting the Ferguson riots?

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    It would be nice to see the sources of that info.
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    Re: Is the media inciting the Ferguson riots?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    Yes. I agree that there are massive issues with the legal system. It is racist and it is also sexist. Men get into far more trouble and get substantially more jail time than women do for domestic violence even though almost 40% of all cases are woman against man. They use weapons such as knives in these incidents but they get warnings... I understand this aspect. I just don't see it as a nationwide societal issue.
    I love that your single example of sexism is a statistic in which men are the victims even though sexism more often affects women. It says a lot about where your head is at on this issue. In case, the fact that violence against men isn't taken seriously is an effect of anti-female sexism. Women are viewed as weaker and thus, the violence they use against men isn't taken as seriously. Who would have thought that men's historical sexism against women would hurt them in the end?

    It's also telling to me that the only statistic of mine you referenced is the one about legal issues even though I showed systemic discrimination several other areas as well. Frankly, if you don't think that anti-black discrimination in education, housing and employment in addition to the law and courts is evidence of a nationwide societal issue, you are in denial. If you in denial that severe with don't have enough common ground to discuss this topic with each other.

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    Re: Is the media inciting the Ferguson riots?

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    Yes you were. Throwing around terms such as "race-baiting" when I am simply trying to have an honest conversation about race does not help.
    Can't make it any more clear for you... I was not being defensive.

    Throwing around terms such as "white privilege" when people are simply trying to have an honest conversation about race does not help.
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    Re: Is the media inciting the Ferguson riots?

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    I love that your single example of sexism is a statistic in which men are the victims even though sexism more often affects women. It says a lot about where your head is at on this issue. In case, the fact that violence against men isn't taken seriously is an effect of anti-female sexism. Women are viewed as weaker and thus, the violence they use against men isn't taken as seriously. Who would have thought that men's historical sexism against women would hurt them in the end?

    It's also telling to me that the only statistic of mine you referenced is the one about legal issues even though I showed systemic discrimination several other areas as well. Frankly, if you don't think that anti-black discrimination in education, housing and employment in addition to the law and courts is evidence of a nationwide societal issue, you are in denial. If you in denial that severe with don't have enough common ground to discuss this topic with each other.
    Since you are making it personal and I am not I think we can clearly see where who's head is on this issue and as the victim of domestic violence at the hands of my ex-wife a few times I can tell you with experience how sexist the police and court system are/is. There are a lot of racists out there... yes. Everywhere I have lived, as far as I can tell, there were blacks and whites living amongst each other and as long as either presented themselves as kind and helpful members of the community nobody gave a crap about skin colour. I would actually go so far as to say that poor white people that acted like hicks or trash were discriminated against by whites more than anything... it is a socio-economic thing in the end.

    What is being presented here is a systemic nation wide racist society and that is simply 100% bull****.
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    Re: Is the media inciting the Ferguson riots?

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    ..and, can bury things that should be national causes.
    Good point. In the months leading up to 9/11 the media constantly harped about Chandra Levy and Congressman Condit. Remember that? No reports about Al Qaeda or Islamic fundamentalism. No news on studies that came out earlier that year about terrorism. Just "what happened to Chandra Levy"
    (I suspect that you were thinking of something like IRS malfeasance, Benghazi, Fast and Furious, or something like that. Which would also be true.)

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    Re: Is the media inciting the Ferguson riots?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    Can't make it any more clear for you... I was not being defensive.

    Throwing around terms such as "white privilege" when people are simply trying to have an honest conversation about race does not help.
    That second sentence contradicts the first.
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