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Ferguson vs. Bundy Ranch

Do you or did you support the Ferguson and/or Bundy Ranch protests?

  • I support(ed) the Ferguson and Bundy Ranch Protests?

    Votes: 3 7.7%
  • I support the Ferguson Protests and opposed Bundy Ranch Protest

    Votes: 7 17.9%
  • I supported the Bundy Ranch protest and oppose the Ferguson Protest

    Votes: 3 7.7%
  • I oppose(d) both protests

    Votes: 16 41.0%
  • My opinion does not fit any of the options listed above

    Votes: 10 25.6%

  • Total voters
    39
But did brown deserve to die that night? Was no solution satisfactory if it did not end in browns death?

Deserve to die is a loaded statement. He deserved to go to jail for theft, assault, and assault of a police officer. However, his decision to continue to approach Officer Wilson after he'd been given every opportunity to surrender is what led to the result. He didn't need to die for the crimes he committed. He died because he continued to threaten a police officer.
 
I have some questions.

Is it not the responsibility of each state to take measures necessary to protect its citizens from lawlessness?

Show me where this so called rebellion in Ferguson was justified? Because where I am sitting, I can show you where it was manufactured.



I didn't even come close to saying it was justified, and have no intention of arguing that it was.

PEACEFUL protest was justified.... looting, stealing, threatening mayhem and burning down half the town for the sake of a violent thug who resisted arrest was not.


But it does, like the Bundy Ranch, point out that the pot is boiling over on issues of Fed overreach and questionable police shootings.... neither was a good example of these but when people get mad enough they don't care.
 
I didn't even come close to saying it was justified, and have no intention of arguing that it was.

PEACEFUL protest was justified.... looting, stealing, threatening mayhem and burning down half the town for the sake of a violent thug who resisted arrest was not.


But it does, like the Bundy Ranch, point out that the pot is boiling over on issues of Fed overreach and questionable police shootings.... neither was a good example of these but when people get mad enough they don't care.

Please forgive me for possibly reading more into your post than I should. I know why the Ferguson fiasco has gotten to the point it has. And there is no way of justilying that one. I appreciate your response.
 
A full blown riot where homes and businesses are burned to ground is so far worse than the Bundy Ranch. I'll gladly take a standoff where rednecks point their weapons at Federal Agents over the riots.

I don't support either cause, but the Ferguson riots had people die and homes destroyed. That alone makes it worse than some hick not paying taxes.

Shutting down an interstate highway and pointing rifles at other people is less bad than arson and robbery? In what uncivilized society do people believe such a thing?
 
Cops should not be shooting unarmed teens and kids in the street dead. If they do, they should expect to be scrutinized to the fullest extent.

No, we can't have that. The police are always perfect and the police are always right. That is, as long as they only **** blacks and browns and not whites. /snark
 
Shutting down an interstate highway and pointing rifles at other people is less bad than arson and robbery? In what uncivilized society do people believe such a thing?

Ferguson also shut down a highway, and they injured six people. There's people in Ferguson right now looking for work because their store was looted then burned to the ground. Yes, I do believe that is far worse than a standoff where you have Right Wing Nut Jobs pointing weapons at Federal agents.

Regardless, they're both wrong. Everyone involved in defending Bundy that pointed weapons at the Federal Agents should be arrested and anyone involved in the riots should be arrested. But if I had to choose between a riot and the Bundy Ranch, I'll go with the Bundy Ranch.
 
Ferguson also shut down a highway, and they injured six people. There's people in Ferguson right now looking for work because their store was looted then burned to the ground. Yes, I do believe that is far worse than a standoff where you have Right Wing Nut Jobs pointing weapons at Federal agents.

Regardless, they're both wrong. Everyone involved in defending Bundy that pointed weapons at the Federal Agents should be arrested and anyone involved in the riots should be arrested. But if I had to choose between a riot and the Bundy Ranch, I'll go with the Bundy Ranch.

That sounds like you're practically letting the Bundy gang off the hook. You did see the part about their shutting down an interstate highway, right? And I'm not talking about one that's out in the middle of nowhere. Interstate 15 through Nevada is THE transportation pipeline from Southern California to much of the West.

The fact that Bundy's gang has not even been arrested while Michael Brown is literally a dead man speaks to a grave double standard in this nation.
 
That sounds like you're practically letting the Bundy gang off the hook. You did see the part about their shutting down an interstate highway, right? And I'm not talking about one that's out in the middle of nowhere. Interstate 15 through Nevada is THE transportation pipeline from Southern California to much of the West.

The fact that Bundy's gang has not even been arrested while Michael Brown is literally a dead man speaks to a grave double standard in this nation.

There's certainly a double standard, I won't deny that, and I'm not letting the Bundy gang off the hook here. I don't know how much more I have to say "I don't condone the actions at Bundy Ranch and believe anyone involved should be arrested." But here I am saying it once again. The members of the Bundy gang that pointed weapons at agents should be arrested, Bundy should be locked up and defend himself in a court of law instead of rallying the RWNJ to defend him. That goes for anyone who rioted at Ferguson as well.
 
There's certainly a double standard, I won't deny that, and I'm not letting the Bundy gang off the hook here. I don't know how much more I have to say "I don't condone the actions at Bundy Ranch and believe anyone involved should be arrested." But here I am saying it once again. The members of the Bundy gang that pointed weapons at agents should be arrested, Bundy should be locked up and defend himself in a court of law instead of rallying the RWNJ to defend him.

Alright, we're on the same page there. Good.

That goes for anyone who rioted at Ferguson as well.

Perhaps. I say "perhaps" because in recent times, police have shown remarkably poor judgment in discerning between peaceful protesters and true rioters. I agree, lock the latter up, but let's deal with the underlying causes and not pretend that a strong police force can fix the underlying problem. Especially when a strong police force actively contributes to that problem.
 
Alright, we're on the same page there. Good.



Perhaps. I say "perhaps" because in recent times, police have shown remarkably poor judgment in discerning between peaceful protesters and true rioters. I agree, lock the latter up, but let's deal with the underlying causes and not pretend that a strong police force can fix the underlying problem. Especially when a strong police force actively contributes to that problem.

Agreed.
 
A full blown riot where homes and businesses are burned to ground is so far worse than the Bundy Ranch. I'll gladly take a standoff where rednecks point their weapons at Federal Agents over the riots.

I don't support either cause, but the Ferguson riots had people die and homes destroyed. That alone makes it worse than some hick not paying taxes.

When white people get in armed standoffs, some people see it justified and heroic... I haven't really heard them called thugs or media personalities discussing their actions in the context of "white culture," "southern culture," "redneck culture," etc. Even when a white guy commits a mass shooting, his ethnic culture is never discussed as being a possible culprit.
 
I supported both in a sense. Before anybody starts with the assumptions, let me clear up a few things:

On Ferguson: The poll said Ferguson protests, not Ferguson riots, which is why I voted in support. Obviously the rioters leave little to be desired but while they got most of the attention, they were in the minority when it came to numbers. Most protestors were peaceful. There was a legitimate reason for protest IMO because police brutality and unaccountability has gone too far.

On Bundy: The original issue was just some farmer that wanted to mooch off government land without paying for it. However, when a small protest broke out federal agents swarmed the place and designated "free speech zones", that's when **** hit the fan. The bigger protest that resulted after that was the protest I supported. Simply because as dumb as the hicks were for supporting that Bundy guy, they do have ****ing rights and the govt can't just trample on them when they feel like it.
 
That sounds like you're practically letting the Bundy gang off the hook. You did see the part about their shutting down an interstate highway, right? And I'm not talking about one that's out in the middle of nowhere. Interstate 15 through Nevada is THE transportation pipeline from Southern California to much of the West.

The fact that Bundy's gang has not even been arrested while Michael Brown is literally a dead man speaks to a grave double standard in this nation.

To me, the most insulting thing about the Bundy gang was they were trying to act like law enforcement by demanding ID of citizens traveling around their standoff.

It was absolutely disgusting behavior.
 
When white people get in armed standoffs, some people see it justified and heroic... I haven't really heard them called thugs or media personalities discussing their actions in the context of "white culture," "southern culture," "redneck culture," etc. Even when a white guy commits a mass shooting, his ethnic culture is never discussed as being a possible culprit.

It's true, but I'm fine with calling the Bundy crowd and their supporters anti-American rednecks who were lucky as hell they were treated with white gloves.
 
On Bundy: The original issue was just some farmer that wanted to mooch off government land without paying for it. However, when a small protest broke out federal agents swarmed the place and designated "free speech zones", that's when **** hit the fan. The bigger protest that resulted after that was the protest I supported. Simply because as dumb as the hicks were for supporting that Bundy guy, they do have ****ing rights and the govt can't just trample on them when they feel like it.

Did this "free speech zone" stuff happen at the Bundy ranch? I had thought that the Bureau of Land Management confiscated the cattle that were illegally on government land and that Bundy and his insane supporters demanded them back practically at gunpoint.
 
They are both protests that weren't entirely peaceful and show opposition to the actions of government, the difference being the reason for the protests.

Once again we see an attempt at equivocation when the left gets violent. They aren't the same, and nobody was harmed in the Bundy Ranch episode save for the protesters.
 
Both protests are bullcrap...
 
I support the right of essentially anyone to protest anything, peacefully. Pointing assault rifles at law enforcement is not peaceful.
 
I support the bundy ranch protests because we shouldnt punish American citizens for breaking the law if they have gotten away with it for a number of years much the same way illegal immigrants have done. What we need is a conversation, a fundamental change that helps the citizen, and the illegal to be pardoned or given amnesty from our laws.
 
I don't really care vs. I don't really care
 
Shutting down an interstate highway and pointing rifles at other people is less bad than arson and robbery? In what uncivilized society do people believe such a thing?

Interstate highways were shut down in protests of the ferguson incident as well.

There were also actual shots fired, not just rifles being pointed, in the ferguson instance.

Both protests had elements of it that were absolutely bad and worthy of condemnation. But I don't think it's unreasonable to suggest that arson, robbery, and actual gunfire is "worse" than pointing a rifle at someone, while acknowledging both are bad.
 
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