View Poll Results: Do you or did you support the Ferguson and/or Bundy Ranch protests?

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  • I support(ed) the Ferguson and Bundy Ranch Protests?

    3 6.67%
  • I support the Ferguson Protests and opposed Bundy Ranch Protest

    8 17.78%
  • I supported the Bundy Ranch protest and oppose the Ferguson Protest

    4 8.89%
  • I oppose(d) both protests

    19 42.22%
  • My opinion does not fit any of the options listed above

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Thread: Ferguson vs. Bundy Ranch

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    Re: Ferguson vs. Bundy Ranch

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    But it's all against government overreach. Some here won't see it if it's not Obama doing it, but it is all against that.

    I had to say none of the options really describe my opinion. A protest is fine. Rioting is crossing the line. Threatening an armed rebellion is too far. Can you imagine what would have happened at Bundy's ranch if a federal officer there decided that he was "being threatened?"
    True and I agree, a protest is just fine. If that was all that happened I think there would have been more sympathy for the community of Ferguson. But then again, most people are of the like that if something doesn't affect them, then they don't worry about it either.

    Over reach is over reach no matter on what level.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: Ferguson vs. Bundy Ranch

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Because the agreed upon laws are applied regardless of public opinion. If it were otherwise, the laws wouldn't be worth the paper their written on. I'm assuming you understand the basic concepts of law, society and government - or do you need an explanation of those things as well?
    For instance, no one agreed that using evidence, to base an important decision on, which was ruled unconstitutional is 'justice' served. People have a right in the US to protest such a stance. Living in the US gives us a right to protest anything we see as an injustice. That is very American.

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    Re: Ferguson vs. Bundy Ranch

    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    Nice avoidance. What we do know is this. Michael Brown stole something. He assaulted the store owner. He brought attention to himself by walking down the middle of the street with stolen goods. He then punched the police officer and failed to follow instructions. There is no testimony that refutes any of that. That, in and of itself, lends "credence" to why he was shot.
    But did brown deserve to die that night? Was no solution satisfactory if it did not end in browns death?
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    Re: Ferguson vs. Bundy Ranch

    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    Nice avoidance. What we do know is this. Michael Brown stole something. He assaulted the store owner. He brought attention to himself by walking down the middle of the street with stolen goods. He then punched the police officer and failed to follow instructions. There is no testimony that refutes any of that. That, in and of itself, lends "credence" to why he was shot.
    That was not avoidance. That was a factual statement.

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    Re: Ferguson vs. Bundy Ranch

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    No it isn't hyperbole that there are those wanting to bring down this country and change it into something it was never meant to be. The hyperbole of leftist activists involved in agitation is at the heart of fabrication inciting hate and injustice and using Black folks as their pawns to achieve their political agenda. They want blacks to believe they are unjustly treated yet today in this country there are numerous numbers of blacks achieving great success in all industries. This is no longer the 1960's. The agitators have been found out.
    This whole rant is based on conspiracy.

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    Re: Ferguson vs. Bundy Ranch

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    For instance, no one agreed that using evidence, to base an important decision on, which was ruled unconstitutional is 'justice' served. People have a right in the US to protest such a stance. Living in the US gives us a right to protest anything we see as an injustice. That is very American.
    People have a right to protest anything - there are no restrictions as to the subject matter - however that factoid is irrelevant. A grand jury reviewed the evidence for indictment and there wasn't enough evidence to indict. The people burning building as well as those peacefully protesting what they see as injustice will not change the grand jury decision.

    The only way effective change will happen is 1.) without violence 2.) by having an open discussion about the problems in the justice system and how to correct them and 3.) to elect members of society who are dedicated to changing those identified defects in the law and 4.) Numbers 1-3 must continue to apply to all people, of all races, creeds, religions etc. and not single out some. The 1960's saw the type of change I'm talking about. Ferguson's violence is bad example of constructive change.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Ferguson vs. Bundy Ranch

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    This whole rant is based on conspiracy.
    No it isn't. There's plenty of proof. It's all political. The good news a new group of black leadership is emerging from the ashes that will help to enlighten those who have fallen for the "big lie".

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    Re: Ferguson vs. Bundy Ranch

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    People have a right to protest anything - there are no restrictions as to the subject matter - however that factoid is irrelevant. A grand jury reviewed the evidence for indictment and there wasn't enough evidence to indict. The people burning building as well as those peacefully protesting what they see as injustice will not change the grand jury decision.

    The only way effective change will happen is 1.) without violence 2.) by having an open discussion about the problems in the justice system and how to correct them and 3.) to elect members of society who are dedicated to changing those identified defects in the law and 4.) Numbers 1-3 must continue to apply to all people, of all races, creeds, religions etc. and not single out some. The 1960's saw the type of change I'm talking about. Ferguson's violence is bad example of constructive change.
    I agree with much of your last part and a good way to have dissent or just a dialogue is to bring the issue forth into the light. I believe that is what many who protested took the time to do. Bring the issue to light in the hopes to make changes as you stated so nicely in the second part of your post.

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    Re: Ferguson vs. Bundy Ranch

    They were both false flags. Bundy was using government property and should have to pay. Darren wilson acted iaw his training and responded appropriately with a violent criminal.

    Neither have a good argument

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    Re: Ferguson vs. Bundy Ranch

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    But did brown deserve to die that night? Was no solution satisfactory if it did not end in browns death?
    He deserved to be handled iaw standard operating procedures at any law enforcement agency. His actions dictated the outcome.

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