View Poll Results: Do you or did you support the Ferguson and/or Bundy Ranch protests?

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  • I support(ed) the Ferguson and Bundy Ranch Protests?

    3 6.67%
  • I support the Ferguson Protests and opposed Bundy Ranch Protest

    8 17.78%
  • I supported the Bundy Ranch protest and oppose the Ferguson Protest

    4 8.89%
  • I oppose(d) both protests

    19 42.22%
  • My opinion does not fit any of the options listed above

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Thread: Ferguson vs. Bundy Ranch

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    Re: Ferguson vs. Bundy Ranch

    Quote Originally Posted by SocialDemocrat View Post
    I am curious about the breakdown of supporters of the Bundy Ranch farmers vs. the supporters of the Ferguson protesters. As far as defining "support" for a certain protest, in the context of the poll, you either believe the protests are justified or permissible.
    I think protests in both incidences are fine. But in the Bundy case the protest was against the over reaching power of the federal government, in Ferguson it was against the over reaching power of the local police. Both was a protest of the little people against a much more powerful entity.

    The huge difference is one protest did not developed into a riot, burning and looting, the other did. Once that happened all comparisons ceased to exist. One became Mars, the other Venus.
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    Re: Ferguson vs. Bundy Ranch

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    My answer wasn't listed on the poll which is this:

    I don't support or oppose either "cause". I don't care about either one.

    More buildings were destroyed and more lives were ruined by the "protestors" in Ferguson than at the Bundy Ranch.
    And that is what the supporters of Ferguson riot protesters fail to realize or to admit to. I would say in the beginning, both were protesting against a more powerful entity in which that more powerful entity did the less powerful wrong. That is the only similarities. Once violence took place and I said this before, one has nothing to do with the other, apples and oranges.
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    Re: Ferguson vs. Bundy Ranch

    Quote Originally Posted by SocialDemocrat View Post
    I am curious about the breakdown of supporters of the Bundy Ranch farmers vs. the supporters of the Ferguson protesters. As far as defining "support" for a certain protest, in the context of the poll, you either believe the protests are justified or permissible.
    Good luck getting anything remotely approaching honest responses.
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    Re: Ferguson vs. Bundy Ranch

    I support the protests in Ferguson and despise the riots, the poll did not mention the riots, so I voted in favor of Ferguson. This obviously does not mean I approve nonsense like blocking highways, these are people going beyond their rights. It's funny since they think they could go about things without consequence not realizing that the right to protest is not and never was absolute, then they scream about something something oppression when the police deal with them, it's just idiotic.

    The Bundy Ranch nonsense, well, only a white person could do that without getting shot. Voted against that hoopla.

    For what it's worth, Ferguson is a way bigger mess than the Bundy Ranch nonsense was and ever could be, even with the Bundy related people being armed fools, and it's weird since I hear a lot of the rioting has been done by people not even from Ferguson. Policing was atrocious, media coverage was atrocious, social media was atrocious, rioting was atrocious, it's just an embarrassment. Just think, at least 25 businesses were burned down, people's livelihood, just sickening.
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    Re: Ferguson vs. Bundy Ranch

    Bundy and Ferguson were both, on the whole, "in the wrong".


    Both were also, arguably, a sort of "push back" resulting from MANY different occasions when the government (in its various forms and branches and departments) has gone too far and pushed The People to the brink of rebellion, and is a symptom of a governmental system that has grown too large, too intrusive, and too oppressive.


    Neither was a very good example of what the push-back was about. In Bundy's case the legal issues were tangled and questionable, but there are ties to "open grazing" customs going back a long ways that at least lend it some air of commonality with other farmers and ranchers around. The Ferguson case is more egregiously wrong because the "victim" was a brutal thug, and the "protesters" chose to loot and burn businesses who had done nothing to them and committed no wrong, making it look like "justice for Brown" meant "I get to steal a free plasma TV and set the store on fire".


    Neither was exactly ideal, but if the gov keeps pushing the limits in the many ways it has been doing so, there will be more 'push-back' in the future, justified or not.

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    Re: Ferguson vs. Bundy Ranch

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Bundy and Ferguson were both, on the whole, "in the wrong".


    Both were also, arguably, a sort of "push back" resulting from MANY different occasions when the government (in its various forms and branches and departments) has gone too far and pushed The People to the brink of rebellion, and is a symptom of a governmental system that has grown too large, too intrusive, and too oppressive.


    Neither was a very good example of what the push-back was about. In Bundy's case the legal issues were tangled and questionable, but there are ties to "open grazing" customs going back a long ways that at least lend it some air of commonality with other farmers and ranchers around. The Ferguson case is more egregiously wrong because the "victim" was a brutal thug, and the "protesters" chose to loot and burn businesses who had done nothing to them and committed no wrong, making it look like "justice for Brown" meant "I get to steal a free plasma TV and set the store on fire".


    Neither was exactly ideal, but if the gov keeps pushing the limits in the many ways it has been doing so, there will be more 'push-back' in the future, justified or not.
    I have some questions.

    Is it not the responsibility of each state to take measures necessary to protect its citizens from lawlessness?

    Show me where this so called rebellion in Ferguson was justified? Because where I am sitting, I can show you where it was manufactured.

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    Re: Ferguson vs. Bundy Ranch

    Quote Originally Posted by SocialDemocrat View Post
    I am curious about the breakdown of supporters of the Bundy Ranch farmers vs. the supporters of the Ferguson protesters. As far as defining "support" for a certain protest, in the context of the poll, you either believe the protests are justified or permissible.
    It's a waste. People are lumping the riot with the protest. While rioting is illegal, protest is not.

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    Re: Ferguson vs. Bundy Ranch

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    I think protests in both incidences are fine. But in the Bundy case the protest was against the over reaching power of the federal government, in Ferguson it was against the over reaching power of the local police. Both was a protest of the little people against a much more powerful entity.

    The huge difference is one protest did not developed into a riot, burning and looting, the other did. Once that happened all comparisons ceased to exist. One became Mars, the other Venus.
    But it's all against government overreach. Some here won't see it if it's not Obama doing it, but it is all against that.

    I had to say none of the options really describe my opinion. A protest is fine. Rioting is crossing the line. Threatening an armed rebellion is too far. Can you imagine what would have happened at Bundy's ranch if a federal officer there decided that he was "being threatened?"


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    Re: Ferguson vs. Bundy Ranch

    I opposed both because I think that the motives weren't clean.
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    Re: Ferguson vs. Bundy Ranch

    Quote Originally Posted by Superfly View Post
    I opposed both.

    Not sure why they are being tied together, as they are not really similar at all.

    One is a bunch of idiots destroying a town all because they don't like the outcome of a grand jury hearing. They are allowing emotion to get in the way of thinking clearly. The evidence was clear-cut, but it's easier to blame others than to take responsibility for the actions of your son/children/community.

    The other is a rich white guy who just doesn't want to follow the rules set forth by the US Government.
    First off the Bundy family aren't rich.
    The family has been using the open range for over a hundred years to graze their cattle.

    What the Bundy stand off was all about has been going on in the West for a few decades now, the BLM forcing ranchers off the open range. It has accelerated over the past six years because it's really the EPA and a water grab in America. To end extraction of minerals and controlling the peoples water, preventing Americans from having access to the peoples land. Have you noticed how often Obama has used executive orders to proclaim federal land as a national monument over the past six years ?

    And why does the BLM have a SWATT ? They didn't have one six years ago neither did the U.S. Dept. of Education.

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