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The only people with the right to object to immigration are Native Americans?

Are the only people with the right to object to immigration are Native Americans?

  • Im a right leaning American, yes.

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Im a left leaning American, yes.

    Votes: 2 8.7%

  • Im not American, yes.

    Votes: 2 8.7%

  • Im a right leaning American, no.

    Votes: 13 56.5%

  • Im a left leaning American, no.

    Votes: 3 13.0%

  • Im not American, no.

    Votes: 3 13.0%
  • Total voters
    23
Helix said:
Because legal immigration has changed. Our ancestors could come here on a boat, be processed, and then have a chance at citizenship. That is no longer the case for many current immigrants.
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Yes, quite of lot of things have changed since Ellis Island was the processing center for legal immigration on the East coast. That matters not in the context of the post you were responding to.
 
Helix said:
Because legal immigration has changed. Our ancestors could come here on a boat, be processed, and then have a chance at citizenship. That is no longer the case for many current immigrants.
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And thats somehow the green light for unchecked (illegal) immigration? :roll:

Think for a second here-we like any sovereign nation have a right and duty to determine who comes here and how. Supporting symbolism and rhetoric over thought is unacceptable.
 
Fearandloathing said:
Imagine any other president driving a deliberate race based wedge into the nation's fabric!

It says "YOU" are second class citizens, "I" get to set the rules and no one can even comment unless they are native American, who seldom comment on anything stupid.

The man truly is a sociopath
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This is one of those comments he is going to regret.
 
President Obama claiming that African-Americans are in the USA because their ancestors were "immigrants" in incredibly offensive towards African-Americans, isn't it? However, since he is NOT the prodigy of slaves - and instead there is evidence that slave-trader is in his ancestry - the thought probably never crossed his mind that African-Americans are not in this country by "immigration."
 
there's no option for me to vote in the poll.... but Obama's argument is incredibly weak.... it's pretty absurd.
 
US Conservative said:
And thats somehow the green light for unchecked (illegal) immigration? :roll:

Think for a second here-we like any sovereign nation have a right and duty to determine who comes here and how. Supporting symbolism and rhetoric over thought is unacceptable.
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Whend did your family emigrate here? What did that process look like?
 
clownboy said:
Yes, quite of lot of things have changed since Ellis Island was the processing center for legal immigration on the East coast. That matters not in the context of the post you were responding to.
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So basically, your ancestors were allowed in through a much less arduous process, but current immigrants should have a more difficult time becoming citizens.
 
Helix said:
Whend did your family emigrate here? What did that process look like?
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Father. Mid 1970's. He first applied to go to college here and was told he needed a degree first. So he got it, applied again, and 2 years after that was accepted.

Like I said he jumped through the hoops and complied by the rules. People sneaking across the border not so much.
 
Helix said:
So basically, your ancestors were allowed in through a much less arduous process, but current immigrants should have a more difficult time becoming citizens.
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Its not up to them to decide. They play by the rules (like any other nation) or they dont come here. How is that hard to understand?

Its a very lengthy process to become an engineer, physician, or lawyer-does that make it ok for people to bypass the system?

Stop thinking with your heart.
 
US Conservative said:
Father. Mid 1970's. He first applied to go to college here and was told he needed a degree first. So he got it, applied again, and 2 years after that was accepted.

Like I said he jumped through the hoops and complied by the rules. People sneaking across the border not so much.
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When they sneak across the border, what is the draw? Who is hiring them?
 
Helix said:
Whend did your family emigrate here? What did that process look like?
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On my mother's side, sons and daughters of slaves with white folk already here and Indians. On my father's side, my great grandmother was a nurse in Wales hired to do the medical treatment of workers in a large cannery in the US and brought over by the company.
 
US Conservative said:
Its not up to them to decide. They play by the rules (like any other nation) or they dont come here. How is that hard to understand?

Its a very lengthy process to become an engineer, physician, or lawyer-does that make it ok for people to bypass the system?

Stop thinking with your heart.
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The point is that it's completely hypocritical for the sons of immigrants who were allowed in to try to make it more difficult for the next wave.
 
Helix said:
When they sneak across the border, what is the draw? Who is hiring them?
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There is a large and established community of illegals here they can blend into and even if they cannot find legal employment they can find employment within that community.
 
clownboy said:
On my mother's side, sons and daughters of slaves with white folk already here and Indians. On my father's side, my great grandmother was a nurse in Wales hired to do the medical treatment of workers in a large cannery in the US and brought over by the company.
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Did the nurse on your father's side have to wait a decade to be allowed into the country?
 
Helix said:
The point is that it's completely hypocritical for the sons of immigrants who were allowed in to try to make it more difficult for the next wave.
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Perhaps, but that's not what we're talking about here. We're not talking about immigrants, but illegal aliens. They are NOT a "wave of immigrants".
 
Helix said:
The point is that it's completely hypocritical for the sons of immigrants who were allowed in to try to make it more difficult for the next wave.
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Its completely hypocritical for someone who's father played by the rules to immigrate here to want others to do the same? That makes sense. :doh

And while am opposed to making things more difficult for successive waves (unless domestic circumstances so dictate-things are subject to change) I certainly am NOT for making things easier just to appease your emotion based rhetoric.
 
US Conservative said:
Immaterial to the discussion. Its illegal to sell drugs even though there are customers.
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I'll answer the question for you. The draw is corporate. Entire sectors of the economy run on illegal labor. Why does your side gloss that over?
 
I think it was mostly done in jest, but it's still pretty funny watching people get their periods over it. I think point was that saying you have a right to determine the legal standing of other individuals because your ancestors came here 100/200/300 years ago is pretty silly. Native Americans had been here for thousands of years and that didn't stop Europeans from coming over, trampling over their laws and practically strong arming them into reservations.

Immigration policy should be addressed to fit the times. It shouldn't be addressed based on a warped historical sense of who was here first and who wasn't. For one, I'm not too happy about the way in which this EO would address the illegal immigration problem. However, I do recognize the need to do something about it and I'd much rather Obama put into action Republican initiatives like he would with this EO than wait as the new GOP Congress stalls immigration reform with lawsuits to enforce the ACA they didn't want enforced and laughable Benghazi hearings.

Remember, this was the GOP less than a year ago:

House Republicans Just Announced Their Plans For Immigration Reform: ‘Get Right With the Law’ | TheBlaze.com

One of the great founding principles of our country was that children would not be punished for the mistakes of their parents. It is time to provide an opportunity for legal residence and citizenship for those who were brought to this country as children through no fault of their own, those who know no other place as home. For those who meet certain eligibility standards, and serve honorably in our military or attain a college degree, we will do just that.
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And here is their policy on people who broke immigration laws:

Rather, these persons could live legally and without fear in the U.S., but only if they were willing to admit their culpability, pass rigorous background checks, pay significant fines and back taxes, develop proficiency in English and American civics, and be able to support themselves and their families (without access to public benefits)
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So, less than a year ago, Republicans were espousing what this EO would do.It's also important to note that their measures would have forced them to admit that a large majority of illegal immigrants aren't scum. What it also suggests is that their measures would have probably allowed far more than 5 of the supposed 30 million illegals to stay.
 
Helix said:
Did the nurse on your father's side have to wait a decade to be allowed into the country?
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No, she was brought over on visa and then naturalized. Took several years to complete the naturalization process. Guess what, you can do the exact same thing today with certain visas granted for necessary skills visas.
 
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