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    Re: The only people with the right to object to immigration are Native Americans?

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    They entered through Ellis Island. I don't know how long it took, but I was curious about your ten+ years of waiting and Googled a bit. According to one site:

    Once your application for naturalization is filed, the approval time to become a US citizen varies by person and location. The short answer is that it can take anywhere from 5 to 8 months between application and interview. If you live in an area with heavy immigrant populations, it is not unusual to wait 2 years or more to become a US citizen. The USCIS (US Citizenship and Immigration Services or Immigration Services) claims to be working on reducing the processing time for naturalization to approximately 6 months. However, that goal has not yet been reached.

    How Long Does it Take to Become a U.S. Citizen After Filing My Application for Naturalization?

    According to the USCIS: "The time it takes to be naturalized varies by location. USCIS is continuing to modernize and improve the naturalization process and would like to decrease the
    time it takes to an average of 6 months after the Form N-400 is filed." http://www.uscis.gov/sites/default/f...e/chapter3.pdf

    From another immigration helper site:

    The US citizenship process can take less than a year or several years. Part of the variation depends on where you are with your application right now. If you are not a legal permanent resident of the United States, this is your first step. If you wish to become a US citizen and neither of your parents are US citizens, you’ll first need to immigrate to the United States and become a legal permanent resident. Once that is completed, a process that alone can take a few years, you’ll need to remain in the United States and establish permanent residency for five years, without extended absences. Once the five years are up, you will then be able to apply for naturalization. If you take active part in the American armed forces or are married to a US citizen, the residency requirement may be far smaller. For example, a person married to a US citizen may only need to wait three years after getting permanent residency in order to apply for US citizenship.

    Assuming that you already are a permanent resident and have established residency in the United States for the required amount of time, the actual US citizenship application process can take between six months to year, or even more. To begin the citizenship process, you will need to file USCIS form N-400. Processing of this form can take a little as six months or more than a year. Any mistakes on your form can delay the process considerably, so it is important to fill out the application for citizenship (N-400) as accurately and as fully as possible. You may want to get additional help with the application process to ensure that your citizenship request is not delayed due to a preventable mistake. How Long Does the US Citizenship Process Take? | US Immigration News

    I know just about nothing about immigration policies and procedures. Are you saying, Helix, that the average time to become a naturalized citizen is over ten years?
    it really depends on where you are coming from.

    Rep. Jim Sensenbrenner says it takes 25 years to obtain citizenship legally and just 13 years for illegal immigrants under Senate bill | PolitiFact Wisconsin

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    Re: The only people with the right to object to immigration are Native Americans?

    I would vote, but since I am neither left or right leaning...I can't.

    Must be a US Conservative poll.

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    Re: The only people with the right to object to immigration are Native Americans?

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    I'm fine with more border security if we address the root causes and update the immigration system.
    Changing the immigration system will never address the problem, and changing it the way you suggest (let everyone in) will do nothing but destroy us. There's a good reason NO modern country has such an immigration system.

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    Re: The only people with the right to object to immigration are Native Americans?

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    Running every job through everify is a way to enforce the law and make it unprofitable for employers to hire undocumented workers. Are you against that?
    No, it won't. Everify helps, heck we used to use I9s. The only difference is the rapid response on verification. Neither system shields against identity theft. And it won't even touch under the table business.

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    Re: The only people with the right to object to immigration are Native Americans?

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    I'm for fixing the system so that we don't have to have the same debate again in fifteen years.
    The moment you start to allow them to stay and file for amnesty you're guaranteeing an influx of illegals and the same debate forever going forward.

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    Re: The only people with the right to object to immigration are Native Americans?


    Actually, you're and he are talking nonsense. No matter how long the paperwork takes for citizenship that's not the issue. In the meantime you have already been given permanent residency status. That means they are here legally, can work, get a license, etc. They just can't vote yet.

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    Re: The only people with the right to object to immigration are Native Americans?

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Changing the immigration system will never address the problem, and changing it the way you suggest (let everyone in) will do nothing but destroy us. There's a good reason NO modern country has such an immigration system.
    strawman. i never argued to let everyone in.

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    Re: The only people with the right to object to immigration are Native Americans?

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    The moment you start to allow them to stay and file for amnesty you're guaranteeing an influx of illegals and the same debate forever going forward.
    not if we enact everify, crushing fines for employers, and a realistic immigration system

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    Re: The only people with the right to object to immigration are Native Americans?

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Actually, you're and he are talking nonsense. No matter how long the paperwork takes for citizenship that's not the issue. In the meantime you have already been given permanent residency status. That means they are here legally, can work, get a license, etc. They just can't vote yet.
    they're here, and we aren't going to deport all of them. it's just not going to happen. the best that we can do is to bring them out of the underground economy and to enact some measures that will make it more difficult for this scenario to happen again.

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    Re: The only people with the right to object to immigration are Native Americans?

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Yeah he didn't make up that line, and I suspect he believes it.
    Anyone who regulllary goes to the immigration forum and watches pro-illegals speak sees them spew that nonsense. Sometimes they just post a picture of indians holding guns with the caption "fighting illegal immigration since 1492". Which in reality that picture if anything helps the anti-illegal immigration side more due to the picture being a cautionary tale of what happens when you do not control your borders.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

    Cicero Marcus Tullius

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