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Can Racists be Good People?

Are racists good people?


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I won't deny that a few idiots may have claimed that disagreeing with Obama is racist, since there are plenty of idiots out there of all stripes. However, the claim that a significant number of Obama supporters believe that criticism of Obama is racist is a red herring and weapon of mass distraction.] There have always been conservatives opposed to his policies before they were associated with him, and everyone knows that. There also is a lot of racism behind the hatred of Obama, for example the people who labeled him a Kenyan anti-colonialist. (as if being an anti-colonialist is a bad thing)

There's way more than just a gew Libbos that make that claim.
 
Hard Truth said:
Racists misuse statistics to view all individuals within a group as the same.
No they do not.
"All" (aka 100%) is High School Strawman debate Dishonestly trying to get out of a True generalization that may be just higher ON AVERAGE, In GENERAL, May even be 90% or even 99%.
All just gives the person wishing to Mislead an 'out'.


Hard Truth said:
That is not what the statistics indicate. Statistics on race some may show tendencies of a group, but they do not tell you anything about the individuals within that group.
Then before I deal with the rest of your paragraph, you are admitting True generalizations CAN Be made about Racial groups.
That is 'Racist' if not mean-spirited.
Yes of course (GIANT DUH), not "ALL" East Africans are better distance runners than "all" ie, Eskimos, but the Racism of the statement is true nonetheless.


Hard Truth said:
For example, East Africans as a group may tend to be good runners, but that does not mean every East African is a good runner. Humans are too varied and individual for any tendency to be universal, even within a relatively homogenous group. That can be measured and easilly observed. For accuracy, people need to assessed as individuals, not as members of a racial or ethnic group.
Yes, I just explained that.
Nonetheless East Africans are overwhelmingly better distance runners is true, but of course not "ALL" are.
Jesus, how pathetic this is!

If someone claims one race has a higher IQ than another, they mean ON AVERAGE, they OF COURSE don't mean ALL BILLION of one race are smarter than ALL BILLION of another.
They mean the Average of one or more is significantly higher.

Illustration:
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Those show Race hierarchy in IQ and they OVERLAP. They do NOT mean ALL of one race is smarter than ALL of another, but they DO mean generalizations about average IQ of the group CAN be made.


Hard Truth said:
It is would be a foolish error for someone seeking a team of good runners to only hire East Africans without assessing each individual's abilities. Some East Africans are not good runners and many people with other backgrounds are as good or better runners. The racist's error is the notion that racial tendencies are more significant than individual characteristics.
Of course, you would want to time every runner first, but the Racial statement East Africans are better distance runners remains TRUE, if not [duh] "ALL".

As I always say, you Never know who you're shaking hands with regardless of appearance.
He Could be an Ethiopean Astrophysicist, or an Japanese champion Marathoner. It's just NOT nearly as likely as the opposite for Genetic/RACE reasons.

Juvenilely using the superlative/strawman (never claimed) "all" makes a mockery of the debate of truisms.
One in which you admitted Racial tendency/Racism nonetheless.
 
Nope. If you are a racist you are a bigot, and bigots are not good people.
 
not true, people can use racism via disassociation.

disassociation is a right.

don't you disassociate yourself from a people you don't like .

Based off of their color of their skin? Nope.
 
if i disassociate myself from say blacks, and in doing that i don't do anything to them in a physical or verbal means, am i a bad person?

Do you believe that your race is superior than them and hold prejudice against them?
 
Do you believe that your race is superior than them and hold prejudice against them?

no i don't, however if a person has a belief, and in exercising that belief there is no victim or even any emotional pain.......what has made that person bad in your eyes?
 
Racist (and bigots) can be good people to those within their own circle of influence, but outside that circle they disrupt good order and discipline with the greater fabric of society. So, yes a racist could call himself a Christian, for example, have very good intensions, give to charity and even save kitty cats from trees or babies from burning buildings, but in the grand scheme of things they are bad.

If you choose not to like someone do so not due to the color of their skin or their religious background. Do so based on the conduct of their character, i.e., "I don't like you because you're an asshole or because you're a lying, murdering thief, or because you're a drunkard or drug addict and you bring down those around you, or because you're just not a decent person not because you're Black or White or a Jew or a Muslim".
 
no i don't, however if a person has a belief, and in exercising that belief there is no victim or even any emotional pain.......what has made that person bad in your eyes?

Is their belief based off bigotry and holding their race more superior, and hold prejudices? If so that is racism.
 
Is their belief based off bigotry and holding their race more superior, and hold prejudices? If so that is racism.

so if a person does no harm, physical and emotional to a another person of a different race.....

remember the question is, "is that person a bad person".........what is making him bad?
 
On the heels of reading how it's just totally ok and no big deal to accuse people of racism because, hey, it doesn't mean you're a bad person if you are, I'm wondering if most people agree. Are racists good people?

Need a minute to get the poll up.

I think it depends on the extent that it goes to. Some people understand that there are some cultural differences distinct to races and/or nationalities, but it doesn't mean they dislike them. Others have a distinct dislike for people who are different from themselves, but it doesn't result in any negative actions- just a preconceived expectation, which may or may not be correct. There's a small percentage who actual act negatively based on their racial attitudes, which are the ones I would consider "bad" if that's the term you really want to use. I don't really consider anyone bad unless they are extreme and criminally insane, but there are those that I would not associate with, based on their attitudes and actions regarding race, and they aren't all white.
 
so if a person does no harm, physical and emotional to a another person of a different race.....

remember the question is, "is that person a bad person".........what is making him bad?

That person holds prejudice against someone based off their color of their skin.
 
Websters defintion is a good one: "a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race."
Racism - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary bold added by Hard Truth

Thinking that the race of your child's spouse is significant makes one a racist, because it is based on the nation that "race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities" and infringes on your child's freedom to choose.

I advised my children to stay in their own race because we are so few and some of us feel the need to make more of us. Is that racist to you?
 
that person holds prejudice against someone based off their color of their skin.

sorry but i don't consider other people who do no harm to other people,... A bad person.

The problem today is more and more people throw the word "bad" out .... with ease.

BAD...
having a wicked or evil character; morally reprehensible: ..........

if we are talking morals.......then were are we giving them from.
 
sorry but i don't consider other people who do no harm to other people,... A bad person.

The problem today is more and more people throw the word "bad" out .... with ease.

BAD...
having a wicked or evil character; morally reprehensible: ..........

if we are talking morals.......then were are we giving them from.

You dont call people who are racists bad people? I sure do.
 
You dont call people who are racists bad people? I sure do.

well, i do look at the works of people, and not the color of their skin.

but what i am asking is, were you get your interpretation of bad.........because if we take it from a religious prospective, yes...... the person would be bad.

but since you don't use the religious prospective, where do you get your interpretation?
 
(Reposted with corrections to typos. Sorry.)

Racists misuse statistics to view all individuals within a group as the same. That is not what the statistics indicate. Statistics on race may show some tendencies of a group, but they do not tell you anything about the individuals within that group. For example, East Africans as a group may tend to be good runners, but that does not mean every East African is a good runner. Humans are too varied and individual for any tendency to be universal, even within a relatively homogenous group. That can be measured and easilly observed. For accuracy, people need to be assessed as individuals, not as members of a racial or ethnic group.

It would be a foolish error for someone seeking a team of good runners to only hire East Africans without assessing each individual's abilities. Some East Africans are not good runners and many people with other backgrounds are as good or better runners. The racist's error is the notion that racial tendencies are more significant than individual characteristics.[/QUOTE]
 
well, i do look at the works of people, and not the color of their skin.
If you are a racist you are a bad person. You hold your race more superior to others simply based off their color of their skin. That is bad.

but what i am asking is, were you get your interpretation of bad.........because if we take it from a religious prospective, yes...... the person would be bad.
Common sense.

but since you don't use the religious prospective, where do you get your interpretation?
Common sense.
 
If you are a racist you are a bad person. You hold your race more superior to others simply based off their color of their skin. That is bad.


Common sense.


Common sense.


common sense, that is no answer.

where do you get the interpretation someone is bad, since we are not going into the religious aspect of things..

are you getting it from..... your own thinking?
 
I don't think so. I seen here on DP and another couple of political sites. In fact I have been labeled that myself. No big deal for me. That stuff rolls off my back. But I have seen legitimate tuned into you are a racist because you disagree.

I would like to see some examples that include the post being responded to. I have seen far more bigoted remarks about Obama than claims that a criticism of him is racist.
 
common sense, that is no answer.

where do you get the interpretation someone is bad, since we are not going into the religious aspect of things..

are you getting it from..... your own thinking?

Of course it is. No race is superior to others. One persons melanin compared to others does not give on superiority.
 
Of course it is. No race is superior to others. One persons melanin compared to others does not give on superiority.

what i am getting at is, where do you get your determination of bad...... is it your personal feeling....[who is it who determines if a person is bad]...a person, groups of people, society as whole..

now i know it comes from a religious morals, however i know you are not using that.........
 
what i am getting at is, where do you get your determination of bad...... is it your personal feeling....[who is it who determines if a person is bad]...a person, groups of people, society as whole..

now i know it comes from a religious morals, however i know you are not using that.........

Why does religious morals trump everything?
 
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