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Can Racists be Good People?

Are racists good people?


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I am just curious. Why didn't you mention the New Black Panther Party along with the Democrat KKK and the Nazi's?

Didn't think to include them. They aren't as dangerous as the KKK or the Nazis because black racism, while just as vitriolic, hasn't been institutionalized to the level of white racism. :shrug:
 
The discourse on racism has become so arcane that its like reading legal gobbledygook. Probably because these days its legal gobbledygook. Forget about a black man becoming President, that doesn't pertain to the issue; racism is over when it becomes legal gobbledygook.
 
On the heels of reading how it's just totally ok and no big deal to accuse people of racism because, hey, it doesn't mean you're a bad person if you are, I'm wondering if most people agree. Are racists good people?

Need a minute to get the poll up.
I would say most are good people, just like most people who are not racists are good people.
 
All my opinions on Race (and most else) are based on Statistics/Science, not Anecdote as your blanket nonsense.
My 'political lean' on almost everything, be it Right and/or Left (I get 'likes' about equally), is Science /math, as are many of my posts and group Team Science.

For instance, If I claim the demonstrable statistical Truth that East Africans are better distance runners/marathoners because of their Inherent physical traits, you would apparently claim that's "Racism" based on your knee-jerk everyone-is-the-same PC.

Laughably, most on the left are 'Liberal Creationists' who, like YEC Creationists, want to deny Evolution upon/after the appearance of H sapiens 100,000 years ago despite widely different sets of geographical demands and Obvious physical differences. (Which they goofily say are only melanin).

In fact, even most things that are mean-spirited 'racism' are based on Demonstrable statistics, if occasionally abused ones.
Since there ARE group traits, there ARE stats to back them.
So, Contrary to your claim, it's PCers who try and Rationalize those "statistics" away as, ie, "socioeconomic", "my neighbors is..", etc.
But stats (such as Athleticism, IQ, profession, Life/country/national outcome, etc) back differences between 'races'.

Racists misuse statistics to view all individuals within a group as the same. That is not what the statistics indicate. Statistics on race some may show tendencies of a group, but they do not tell you anything about the individuals within that group. For example, East Africans as a group may tend to be good runners, but that does not mean every East African is a good runner. Humans are too varied and individual for any tendency to be universal, even within a relatively homogenous group. That can be measured and easilly observed. For accuracy, people need to assessed as individuals, not as members of a racial or ethnic group.

It is would be a foolish error for someone seeking a team of good runners to only hire East Africans without assessing each individual's abilities. Some East Africans are not good runners and many people with other backgrounds are as good or better runners. The racist's error is the notion that racial tendencies are more significant than individual characteristics.
 


Didn't think to include them. They aren't as dangerous as the KKK or the Nazis because black racism, while just as vitriolic, hasn't been institutionalized to the level of white racism. :shrug:

Being racist is being racist. That is what is so dangerous about you people on the Left, you don't realize that when you point the finger you have three fingers pointing right back at yourself.
 
Why don't you ask him instead of me?

Just responding to YOUR post. It was not "what I wanted it to mean", it was what he claimed.
 
I think you should have defined what being a racist is in your mind for the purpose of this thread. Lynching blacks or wanting to is never good but wanting your children to marry in their own race could be by some to be considered racist thinking. The two extremes here are not comparable.

Websters defintion is a good one: "a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race."
Racism - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary bold added by Hard Truth

Thinking that the race of your child's spouse is significant makes one a racist, because it is based on the nation that "race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities" and infringes on your child's freedom to choose.
 
you need to know what you are talking about, and you need to post things of substance, not emotional based-gobbledygook.

Lol, tell us more about your admiration of nazis. :)
 
Lol, tell us more about your admiration of nazis. :)

first ....you cannot post without be emotional, which renders your post.... little to nothing of substance.

emotional based arguments are doomed to failure.

second....you are a hypocrite, if somebody judged you based on your race, you would call them a racist.

you don't know me, and if you read most of my post i dwell on constitutional law mostly, and i have never supported the ideas of national socialism at all, however you have judged me........and assumed i do...making yourself look like as A**.
 
Wouldn't HE be part of his WHOLE racist family?

Yes, I included myself in that statement. I know first-hand what it's like to be a racist...and as I pointed out to the author of this thread, I've written about it before.

But unlike those who think there's nothing wrong with racism, or those who either don't recognize their own racism or - if they do recognize it - think it's not something they should be concerned about, I came to understand just how wrong it was...and how deeply it is ingrained in our society.

And racism in our society is like a room with a pile of excrement in the corner - if you don't clean it up, and if you stay in that room long enough, sooner or later you don't smell it anymore. That doesn't mean that the excrement somehow went away - it's still very much there - but you just don't notice it anymore.

Maybe you don't want to clean up that pile of excrement...but I do, and I will do my best to do my part.
 
No I do not, and in American politics all too often it is thrown around very casually and without much thought.

Besides the Nazi's we had there's only one regular member here who I find overtly racist and I'll tell him that without a problem.

Again though, a person who has racist tendencies is not necessarily a bad person based on that one aspect of them, also depending on how racist they are and how that racism manifests itself in their daily lives.

Take my step grandfather for example, as racist as he may be, I don't think he'd bat an eyelash about saving anyone from a burning building regardless of their race because that was his duty, had his racism manifested itself in refusing to help that person, that was what would make him bad.

Another point I'd like to make is having studied Stormfront for some time, one of the most sobering aspects of that community is that some of these people are just normal people, they live among us and they harbor these deeply seated racist beliefs and they genuinely believe that them, their families and their race are in danger from race mixing, reverse racism etc.

I don't think they're right, but not all of them have that belief strictly out of hate and want to commit violence against anyone, it's fear as well and the way they were brought up and love for their family who they're genuinely concerned about, they're as much a victim of circumstance as anyone could be in that situation, like my step grandfather who was probably taught that his entire life in Northern England in the 30's, 40's and 50's.

There are at least ten obvious racists who are regulars on this forum and they have shown very few signs of being good people with their statements, although most are probably big talkers who do little harm to others as individuals. Most of them will sincerely deny it, and even accuse others of racism. If you aren't a racist and have been here for awhile you probably know who they are. They are all every conservative, but some may claim to be Libertarians.

There are many more religious bigots, and I don't mean people who only criticize one or more religion's teachings. The religious bigots hold the "belief that religion can be the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that religious differences produce an inherent inferiority of a particular religious group(s)."* These people are bigoted against almost one third of the world's people.

*phrase in quotes adapted by Hard Truth from Webster's on-line definition of racism Racism - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary[/url
 
Sure, people are more complicated than a single aspect. Can a racist person be a generally good person? Of course. They're just less good than they would be if they weren't racists.
 
There are at least ten obvious racists who are regulars on this forum and they have shown very few signs of being good people with their statements, although most are probably big talkers who do little harm to others as individuals. Most of them will sincerely deny it, and even accuse others of racism. If you aren't a racist and have been here for awhile you probably know who they are. They are all every conservative, but some may claim to be Libertarians.

There are many more religious bigots, and I don't mean people who only criticize one or more religion's teachings. They hold "a belief that religion can be the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that religious differences produce an inherent inferiority of a particular religion." (phrase in quotes adapted from Webster's on-line definition of racism Racism - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary) These people are bigoted against almost one third of the world's people.

Thing is, racism and religious prejudice are at their base not that much different from each other. All prejudice - whether against race, religion, gender preferences, ethnicity, disability, what have you - is really just prejudice called by different names, because it all works with the same mental and emotional processes.
 
Everybody is prejudiced against somebody. There's no escaping that reality.
 
Yes, they can be good people in a general sense, but it's wrong to coddle racist views because that person also possesses positive characteristics.
 
Yes, a racist can be of any color, creed, etc. But what we have seen during the Obama administration is the expansion of the definition to include anyone who ever disagrees with one of his policies. Because of that, the term racist has lost a lot of its original meaning, its evil connotation. I could disagree with Bill Clinton when he was president, it was then a difference in political ideology, a policy difference. But when I disagree with Obama on the same issue/policy, all of a sudden I become a racist.

That is not progress, one must realize when it comes to politics, people are going to have different ideologies and look at things different. Just because the president happens to be black, does not make a disagreement on policy racist. Most racist are easy to see and on DP, their posts clearly points that out. But automatically calling someone a racist over a political policy disagreement is asinine. In my opinion anyway.

I won't deny that a few idiots may have claimed that disagreeing with Obama is racist, since there are plenty of idiots out there of all stripes. However, the claim that a significant number of Obama supporters believe that criticism of Obama is racist is a red herring and weapon of mass distraction.] There have always been conservatives opposed to his policies before they were associated with him, and everyone knows that. There also is a lot of racism behind the hatred of Obama, for example the people who labeled him a Kenyan anti-colonialist. (as if being an anti-colonialist is a bad thing)
 
Everybody is prejudiced against somebody. There's no escaping that reality.
Not all prejudices are equally harmful and/or reprehensible though. There's a distinction to be made between those who dislike those in the logging industry due to environmental concerns, and those who wish to exterminate Jewish people.
 
Not all prejudices are equally harmful and/or reprehensible though. There's a distinction to be made between those who dislike those in the logging industry due to environmental concerns, and those who wish to exterminate Jewish people.

And there are people defend some bigotry. That's the sad part.
 
And there are people defend some bigotry. That's the sad part.
Hey, what was that joke you were telling me about PSK the other day? It was a real side splitter! ;)
 
I won't deny that a few idiots may have claimed that disagreeing with Obama is racist, since there are plenty of idiots out there of all stripes. However, the claim that a significant number of Obama supporters believe that criticism of Obama is racist is a red herring and weapon of mass distraction.] There have always been conservatives opposed to his policies before they were associated with him, and everyone knows that. There also is a lot of racism behind the hatred of Obama, for example the people who labeled him a Kenyan anti-colonialist. (as if being an anti-colonialist is a bad thing)

I don't think so. I seen here on DP and another couple of political sites. In fact I have been labeled that myself. No big deal for me. That stuff rolls off my back. But I have seen legitimate tuned into you are a racist because you disagree.
 
Very misleading, by the way. The thread title is CAN racists be good people, but the poll asks, ARE racists good people.



I ALMOST voted yes, but read the question again.



Just as some christians are good people, so, too, can some racists be good people.
 
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