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    Re: Can Racists be Good People?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lakeside View Post
    Wouldn't HE be part of his WHOLE racist family?
    Why don't you ask him instead of me?
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    Re: Can Racists be Good People?

    Quote Originally Posted by mbig View Post
    All my opinions on Race (and most else) are based on Statistics/Science, not Anecdote as your blanket nonsense.
    My 'political lean' on almost everything, be it Right and/or Left (I get 'likes' about equally), is Science /math, as are many of my posts and group Team Science.

    For instance, If I claim the demonstrable statistical Truth that East Africans are better distance runners/marathoners because of their Inherent physical traits, you would apparently claim that's "Racism" based on your knee-jerk everyone-is-the-same PC.

    Laughably, most on the left are 'Liberal Creationists' who, like YEC Creationists, want to deny Evolution upon/after the appearance of H sapiens 100,000 years ago despite widely different sets of geographical demands and Obvious physical differences. (Which they goofily say are only melanin).

    In fact, even most things that are mean-spirited 'racism' are based on Demonstrable statistics, if occasionally abused ones.
    Since there ARE group traits, there ARE stats to back them.
    So, Contrary to your claim, it's PCers who try and Rationalize those "statistics" away as, ie, "socioeconomic", "my neighbors is..", etc.
    But stats (such as Athleticism, IQ, profession, Life/country/national outcome, etc) back differences between 'races'.
    Racists misuse statistics to view all individuals within a group as the same. That is not what the statistics indicate. Statistics on race some may show tendencies of a group, but they do not tell you anything about the individuals within that group. For example, East Africans as a group may tend to be good runners, but that does not mean every East African is a good runner. Humans are too varied and individual for any tendency to be universal, even within a relatively homogenous group. That can be measured and easilly observed. For accuracy, people need to assessed as individuals, not as members of a racial or ethnic group.

    It is would be a foolish error for someone seeking a team of good runners to only hire East Africans without assessing each individual's abilities. Some East Africans are not good runners and many people with other backgrounds are as good or better runners. The racist's error is the notion that racial tendencies are more significant than individual characteristics.

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    Re: Can Racists be Good People?

    Quote Originally Posted by TeleKat View Post


    Didn't think to include them. They aren't as dangerous as the KKK or the Nazis because black racism, while just as vitriolic, hasn't been institutionalized to the level of white racism.
    Being racist is being racist. That is what is so dangerous about you people on the Left, you don't realize that when you point the finger you have three fingers pointing right back at yourself.

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    Re: Can Racists be Good People?

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    Why don't you ask him instead of me?
    Just responding to YOUR post. It was not "what I wanted it to mean", it was what he claimed.

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    Re: Can Racists be Good People?

    Quote Originally Posted by lifeisshort View Post
    I think you should have defined what being a racist is in your mind for the purpose of this thread. Lynching blacks or wanting to is never good but wanting your children to marry in their own race could be by some to be considered racist thinking. The two extremes here are not comparable.
    Websters defintion is a good one: "a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race."
    Racism - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary bold added by Hard Truth

    Thinking that the race of your child's spouse is significant makes one a racist, because it is based on the nation that "race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities" and infringes on your child's freedom to choose.

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    Re: Can Racists be Good People?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    you need to know what you are talking about, and you need to post things of substance, not emotional based-gobbledygook.
    Lol, tell us more about your admiration of nazis.
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    Re: Can Racists be Good People?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Lol, tell us more about your admiration of nazis.
    first ....you cannot post without be emotional, which renders your post.... little to nothing of substance.

    emotional based arguments are doomed to failure.

    second....you are a hypocrite, if somebody judged you based on your race, you would call them a racist.

    you don't know me, and if you read most of my post i dwell on constitutional law mostly, and i have never supported the ideas of national socialism at all, however you have judged me........and assumed i do...making yourself look like as A**.

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    Re: Can Racists be Good People?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lakeside View Post
    Wouldn't HE be part of his WHOLE racist family?
    Yes, I included myself in that statement. I know first-hand what it's like to be a racist...and as I pointed out to the author of this thread, I've written about it before.

    But unlike those who think there's nothing wrong with racism, or those who either don't recognize their own racism or - if they do recognize it - think it's not something they should be concerned about, I came to understand just how wrong it was...and how deeply it is ingrained in our society.

    And racism in our society is like a room with a pile of excrement in the corner - if you don't clean it up, and if you stay in that room long enough, sooner or later you don't smell it anymore. That doesn't mean that the excrement somehow went away - it's still very much there - but you just don't notice it anymore.

    Maybe you don't want to clean up that pile of excrement...but I do, and I will do my best to do my part.
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    Re: Can Racists be Good People?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    No I do not, and in American politics all too often it is thrown around very casually and without much thought.

    Besides the Nazi's we had there's only one regular member here who I find overtly racist and I'll tell him that without a problem.

    Again though, a person who has racist tendencies is not necessarily a bad person based on that one aspect of them, also depending on how racist they are and how that racism manifests itself in their daily lives.

    Take my step grandfather for example, as racist as he may be, I don't think he'd bat an eyelash about saving anyone from a burning building regardless of their race because that was his duty, had his racism manifested itself in refusing to help that person, that was what would make him bad.

    Another point I'd like to make is having studied Stormfront for some time, one of the most sobering aspects of that community is that some of these people are just normal people, they live among us and they harbor these deeply seated racist beliefs and they genuinely believe that them, their families and their race are in danger from race mixing, reverse racism etc.

    I don't think they're right, but not all of them have that belief strictly out of hate and want to commit violence against anyone, it's fear as well and the way they were brought up and love for their family who they're genuinely concerned about, they're as much a victim of circumstance as anyone could be in that situation, like my step grandfather who was probably taught that his entire life in Northern England in the 30's, 40's and 50's.
    There are at least ten obvious racists who are regulars on this forum and they have shown very few signs of being good people with their statements, although most are probably big talkers who do little harm to others as individuals. Most of them will sincerely deny it, and even accuse others of racism. If you aren't a racist and have been here for awhile you probably know who they are. They are all every conservative, but some may claim to be Libertarians.

    There are many more religious bigots, and I don't mean people who only criticize one or more religion's teachings. The religious bigots hold the "belief that religion can be the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that religious differences produce an inherent inferiority of a particular religious group(s)."* These people are bigoted against almost one third of the world's people.

    *phrase in quotes adapted by Hard Truth from Webster's on-line definition of racism [url=http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/racism]Racism - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary[/url

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    Re: Can Racists be Good People?

    Sure, people are more complicated than a single aspect. Can a racist person be a generally good person? Of course. They're just less good than they would be if they weren't racists.
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