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    Re: Can Racists be Good People?

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    Do you think accusations of racism should be made lightly? I'm sincerely asking for your opinion on that (not at all suggesting it's something you do). And the reason I ask is that it's occurring to me that, for some, it may be no big deal to say that about someone because to them, it's not the same as saying they're a bad person. By the same token, it's difficult to not take extreme exception at being accused of it.
    Racists and other bigots don't believe or see their bigotry because they think it is based on sound information That "information" is likely a combination of the views of their family and community and their personal experiences, rather than statistics and research results.

    Not actively discriminating against others is not enough if you passively accept discrimination in your community. It isn't enough to not own slaves. If you buy your cotton from the merchant with slaves because it is cheaper, you are supporting slavery.

    If you find that you are often accused of bigotry you should look deeply within to see why, because it does not happen to most people very often.

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    Re: Can Racists be Good People?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    Racists and other bigots don't believe or see their bigotry because they think it is based on sound information That "information" is likely a combination of the views of their family and community and their personal experiences, rather than statistics and research results.

    Not actively discriminating against others is not enough if you passively accept discrimination in your community. It isn't enough to not own slaves. If you buy your cotton from the merchant with slaves because it is cheaper, you are supporting slavery.

    If you find that you are often accused of bigotry you should look deeply within to see why, because it does not happen to most people very often.
    In RL, if I've ever been accused of it, I don't remember it. Here, I'm told I'm guilty of "unintentional" racism just by virtue of being white in the US or that I'm not racist but I support racism by denying how racist I am.
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    Re: Can Racists be Good People?

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    In RL, if I've ever been accused of it, I don't remember it. Here, I'm told I'm guilty of "unintentional" racism just by virtue of being white in the US or that I'm not racist but I support racism by denying how racist I am.
    Sounds like the salem which trials, if you drown you are not a which!

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    Re: Can Racists be Good People?

    the answer of course is "some are"

    but of course it really depends on the form of racism IMO. How extreme is it?
    a KKK member? no
    somebody that just "thinks" some racist things "could" still be a good person.

    thoughts/feelings are different from actions
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    Re: Can Racists be Good People?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    Racists and other bigots don't believe or see their bigotry because they think it is based on sound information That "information" is likely a combination of the views of their family and community and their personal experiences, rather than statistics and research results.
    ....
    All my opinions on Race (and most else) are based on Statistics/Science, not Anecdote as your blanket nonsense.
    My 'political lean' on almost everything, be it Right and/or Left (I get 'likes' about equally), is Science /math, as are many of my posts and group Team Science.

    For instance, If I claim the demonstrable statistical Truth that East Africans are better distance runners/marathoners because of their Inherent physical traits, you would apparently claim that's "Racism" based on your knee-jerk everyone-is-the-same PC.

    Laughably, most on the left are 'Liberal Creationists' who, like YEC Creationists, want to deny Evolution upon/after the appearance of H sapiens 100,000 years ago despite widely different sets of geographical demands and Obvious physical differences. (Which they goofily say are only melanin).

    In fact, even most things that are mean-spirited 'racism' are based on Demonstrable statistics, if occasionally abused ones.
    Since there ARE group traits, there ARE stats to back them.
    So, Contrary to your claim, it's PCers who try and Rationalize those "statistics" away as, ie, "socioeconomic", "my neighbors is..", etc.
    But stats (such as Athleticism, IQ, profession, Life/country/national outcome, etc) back differences between 'races'.
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    Re: Can Racists be Good People?

    Most People who would be considered "racist" are usually in 2 camps.

    1. Poor People from a dominant race who feel threatened and feel like they are loosing the small Security they have and find an enemy, and the poor of other races or ethnicities are usually the easiest and most obvious to blame.

    These are you're general stereotypical racist poor white person in the United States, or whatever ... I don't think they are bad People, I think their racism comes from fear, that's it, it manifests itself negatively and has bad outcomes, but I don't think it comes from an evil Place.

    When I see some skinhead from the trailer park, I don't hate him, I feel bad for him, it's sad.

    2. Then you have the racism that comes from a genuine sense of superiority and disdain for those who are seen as lesser than them ...

    That's the more "country Club" racism ... I think that comes from a bad Place, and generally it's both racism and classism, and comes from a sense of superiority, and real disdain.

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    Re: Can Racists be Good People?

    Are racists good people?
    Only with or to other racists, birds of a feather thing. no vote, not enough options

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    Re: Can Racists be Good People?

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    On the heels of reading how it's just totally ok and no big deal to accuse people of racism because, hey, it doesn't mean you're a bad person if you are, I'm wondering if most people agree.
    Are racists good people?


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    Racists are very bad people.

    Good examples are the WWII Nazis and some people in the USA who are always ready to re-fight the Civil War.

    We will probably always have people like that, but they'll never rule this world.

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    Re: Can Racists be Good People?

    Quote Originally Posted by TeleKat View Post
    Depends.
    Simply being a racist does not automatically make you a bad person.
    The problem you'll run into is that severe racism can often manifest itself in bad ways. Take the KKK for example. Or the Nazis.


    Believe what you want to believe, I have no use for racists and won't associate with them.

    I'm talking about Nazis and those who would like to see the South re-fight and win the Civil War

    I could say a lot more, but that should tell you how I feel about racists.
    Last edited by shrubnose; 11-28-14 at 06:41 AM.

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    Re: Can Racists be Good People?

    I think they can be good people as long as the realize others don't agree with their views, and their views don't alter how they function in society. You can not like someone, and still show them respect as a person.
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