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    Re: Can Racists be Good People?

    Quote Originally Posted by a351 View Post
    Religious codes are subject to flaws in human interpretation and bias as well.
    this is very true.

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    Re: Can Racists be Good People?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    this is very true.
    So why are you perplexed as to how some could subject themselves to a moral code that is potentially made in error?

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    Re: Can Racists be Good People?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    I can't answer for him, but I believe most of us who have moral views that are not directly based on religion make our determinations based on observation as to whether a behavior or philosophy causes harm to others. In ambiguous situations, one has to make an educated guess to determine which action will create the least harm. In some situations upholding a principal that is important for maintaining peace and stability is more important than some harm that may be the result. Treating all people equally and fairly unless one has a very good reason not to do so is one of those principals.
    OK, i understand that...however i stated to him, if a person is racist but uses disassociation as the means of exercising it....causing no physical or emotional pain, is that person bad...he stated yes.

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    Re: Can Racists be Good People?

    Interesting post. I don't know many people my own age who I would consider racist.


    Quote Originally Posted by SmokeAndMirrors View Post
    Yes, but I think the decent racist is getting less and less common.

    Almost all decent racists, it seems to me, are people who are racist because that's the culture they grew up with. They're mostly elderly, although there are still a few here and there who just had a very isolated cultural experience growing up.

    They tend to be racist to a degree that is roughly 20% less than whatever they grew up with culturally, and it's typically a somewhat impotent belief. They mostly know the times have changed and some of them don't even resent that -- they just grew up how they did, that's what they got used to, and they haven't really let go of it. Some are worse than others.

    A lot of us have a grandparent who is racist in this manner, myself included. Yeah, my grandmother is kind of racist. She also believes in separation, because that's how things were in her day. She still treats a black person fine if they come over though. And like most people of her type, she's a good person in all the ways that count. She doesn't hate anyone -- she just grew up however she did, and she's too old to change now.

    It can be a little embarrassing to hear them, especially those who are so old that they don't always remember to limit saying such things to close company, but most of us get it's just a product of their time, it's not going to change, it's not going to hurt anyone, and they lived through WWII damn it, so don't argue things with them. Their blood pressure is bad enough as it is, and they should just be left alone to enjoy the twilight of their lives without people fighting with them.

    But those people are dying. Not just from age, but also because the insular communities that held on to that are getting less and less insulated.

    Most younger racists are not particularly decent people. They didn't get that way passively, by community osmosis, the way our grandparents did (or a limited number of people who came from the remaining insular communities in this country). They got that way by active distaste or even hatred which they then chose to aim in the particular direction of race.

    They cultivated that within themselves, they are more likely to spend time going on about it unprovoked, they are more confrontational to people around them -- including of races they don't like -- and it just generally makes up a bigger part of their personality.

    It isn't just that they're racist. It's what kind of internal reality it took for someone growing up in a society that disavows hating people based on superficiality to wind up that way anyway. And if you can bare to be around them for long enough to find out, there usually is some kind of point in time where they decided to be that way.

    People who harbor those kinds of feelings usually aren't particularly good people.

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    Re: Can Racists be Good People?

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    Interesting post. I don't know many people my own age who I would consider racist.
    Well, "younger" is relative. I'd say the majority of "cultural" racists are over the age of 70, at this point. Anyone below that was a kid when desegregation happened, and have little cultural excuse, apart from very small towns where "natural" segregation continued for much longer (and in a few cases, still does).

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    Re: Can Racists be Good People?

    Damn... that's really messed up. Did she ever say anything to your wife, and did your wife have any clue your mom was racist towards her... or was your mom that good at hiding it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    My mother was a very, very good person. I never saw her act mean towards anyone at all. But she was racist. When I brought my Asian wife home to meet her (at our family home in the Mississippi Delta), she pulled me off to one side and said, "I wish you'd married a black girl!" But 'black' wasn't the word she used.

    My mother was what I call a "good racist"...meaning that they would never hurt the person of that other race (and the same thing goes for any prejudice, whether ethnic, religious, whatever...it's all works the same way)...but as soon as the person of that other race was out of earshot, out would come all the old racist assumptions and generalizations.

    It's so sad - I love the MS Delta, the land, the weather, the food (oh, man, the food!), and my whole family's all in a small cemetery there all the way back to the 1870's...but I will never live there again. And the one reason I will never live there again is that I can't stand the racism I see and hear there every day from my fellow whites. And they're almost all 'good racists', meaning that they'd risk their lives in a heartbeat to save a black man in danger...but again, once that black man's out of earshot...you get the idea.

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    Re: Can Racists be Good People?

    I don't know what you are talking about... is it a southern thing?

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    Here's where I have to acknowledge that my question is vague by not defining "racist" given that using the term "black cloud" and "black hole" in a talking graduation card is blatant racism (because after all, it might be saying "black ho", you know how Hallmark is).

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    Re: Can Racists be Good People?

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    And one more observation - most racists really don't realize that they are racist. My whole family was racist...but we would all have denied being racist at all.
    Funny... I would agree. I think one of the first things a racist/prejudice person does and says when confronted is declare, "I am NOT a racist!" especially when it's a black person questioning, "what do you mean by...."

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    Re: Can Racists be Good People?

    What if they don't stay in their race? What would you do? Just curious...

    Quote Originally Posted by lifeisshort View Post
    I advised my children to stay in their own race because we are so few and some of us feel the need to make more of us. Is that racist to you?

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    Re: Can Racists be Good People?

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    Damn... that's really messed up. Did she ever say anything to your wife, and did your wife have any clue your mom was racist towards her... or was your mom that good at hiding it?
    I'm sure my wife knew. To her credit, my mother did try to be nice to my wife...but my grandmother wasn't nice to her at all. Instead of staying for two weeks, we left the house the very next morning and spent the rest of the time in a no-tell motel in the closest town until we could take the train back to Washington state.
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