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    Re: Can Racists be Good People?

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    I think that's reasonable. It would be like somebody telling me, "he fights dogs for a hobby but he's a good guy." For me, that act alone would define that person entirely for me.
    Actions are different than personal views. If somebody in my family committed hate crimes and was a neo-nazi or member of the KKK, I would feel entirely different.

    In fact, when my sister found a notebook her son brought back from his babysitters full of neo nazi propaganda, she didn't let that person watch her son anymore. Her neighbor who says bigoted things but is not a dangerous person, she views differently than a neo nazi.

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    Re: Can Racists be Good People?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    As I stated earlier I am using common sense.
    no.... you not able you tell me where you are getting your moral code at of what you think is bad.

    since i am a christian, i get it from a that prospective........i am asking where you get yours.

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    Re: Can Racists be Good People?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    no.... you not able you tell me where you are getting your moral code at of what you think is bad.

    since i am a christian, i get it from a that prospective........i am asking where you get yours.
    I just told you. From common sense. One persons melanin is not superior to others.


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    Re: Can Racists be Good People?

    Quote Originally Posted by lifeisshort View Post
    I advised my children to stay in their own race because we are so few and some of us feel the need to make more of us. Is that racist to you?
    Yes, since you value preservation of your race over your child's freedom of choice. It is more understandable if you are genuinely from a group of people that are of a very small number. I have heard racists from highly populous groups use that same justification so I don't have a lot of respect for it. There is also the fact that much of your DNA will still be carried into the future, it just won't be as "pure."

    I support preserving positive aspects of all cultures, but preserving racial purity is ridiculous since everyone is already mixed race to a certain degree and race is not clearly associated with any significant positive or negative attributes. Imagine a world in which everyone is mixed race and skin color and other racial indicators are considered inconsequential. If you think that is a bad outcome you are a racist.
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    Re: Can Racists be Good People?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    I just told you. From common sense. One persons melanin is not superior to others.
    no..... you are not answering, how do you determine a person is bad......what moral code are you using to make that determination..........since i use the bible, what are you using...that tells you a person is bad.

    this is what fascinates me is about people, how people who do not have a religious code, believe they can create their own code, which is full of pitfalls.

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    Re: Can Racists be Good People?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    no..... you are not answering, how do you determine a person is bad......what moral code are you using to make that determination..........since i use the bible, what are you using...that tells you a person is bad.
    Again, I told you, I am using common sense.

    this is what fascinates me is about people, how people who do not have a religious code, believe they can create their own code, which is full of pitfalls.
    Uhhhhhhhhhh


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    Re: Can Racists be Good People?

    Sometimes people can't help to be influenced by their environment and surroundings. My sister works in law enforcement and has seen people involved in the KKK, Aryan Brotherhood, and neo nazi groups. They actually target youth, try to suck them in, and it's difficult to get out and leave. In some of those cases, I feel they are young, stupid, impressionable, and may end up getting trapped.

    Other people are taught to be racist by their racist parents involved in groups like the KKK.

    I think racism comes from a place of ignorance. Research suggests the more people are exposed to others and realize they are not very different, the less racist they become.

    With that being said, there is a big difference between being an ignorant racist, and being a person capable of kicking somebody to death because of skin color.

    The people I know with racist tendencies, aren't capable of that. That's the difference between hate and ignorance.



    Quote Originally Posted by mak2 View Post
    I struggle with this question a lot. I live in an undeniable racist area. I have talked on this forum before about my hometown so I wont go into it again, but it is white, I am talking very white to this day. Growing up here I never seen a minority of any kind until we started going to church in the big city. I get racist email from my Mother and other family members on a regular basis. Sitting around having a beer Friday evening with my friends down at the legion the Furegson riots came on and the discussion turned to the N****** exhibiting normal n***** behavior said it proudly pointing out he aint racist. I was raised here and really did not know any better until I moved away in the Marine Corps and for years after I got out I lived in Philly returning to my home town in late 80's. It was culture shock. I really could not vote because I dont know if they can be good people or not. I guess at best they are very ignorant. But I dont know about good. Others are just haters.

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    Re: Can Racists be Good People?

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    On the heels of reading how it's just totally ok and no big deal to accuse people of racism because, hey, it doesn't mean you're a bad person if you are, I'm wondering if most people agree. Are racists good people?

    Need a minute to get the poll up.


    I need to draw a distinction between racism and discrimination, the latter being more about telling Polack jokes etc.

    In that regard I have found that racism is usually accompanied by blind ignorance; I find being around them disturbing and mentally and emotionally taxing. In try to avoid them and certainly don't socialize with them, especially when my wife was alive, being of Chinese dissent is hard to wear and still can be for my daughters who are neither but both.

    My Dad, a very liberal thinker for a blue collar worker was a bigot, and very discriminatory in his words, stereotyping everyone from "Polacks" to "Krauts" and often "Frogs", but there wasn't a mean bone in his body, if someone needed help it mattered not their race or nationality, although he might have something to say about that "negro" and how "they" never look after their cars after he helped them get started.

    My grandmother, a Polish immigrant, was also a bigot, she would always refer to the people down the street as "those Jews", but always when she was instructing us kids to go along the railroad tracks and collect loose coal, and give one bucket to "those Jews". She didn't like the Amish, nor the French for some reason, but it was all words.

    So, a bigot can be a good person, yes, and discriminate. But while any racist is capable of a good anything, no one can be "good" while carrying hate in one's heart
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    Re: Can Racists be Good People?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    no..... you are not answering, how do you determine a person is bad......what moral code are you using to make that determination..........since i use the bible, what are you using...that tells you a person is bad.

    this is what fascinates me is about people, how people who do not have a religious code, believe they can create their own code, which is full of pitfalls.
    Religious codes are subject to flaws in human interpretation and bias as well.

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    Re: Can Racists be Good People?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    no..... you are not answering, how do you determine a person is bad......what moral code are you using to make that determination..........since i use the bible, what are you using...that tells you a person is bad.

    this is what fascinates me is about people, how people who do not have a religious code, believe they can create their own code, which is full of pitfalls.
    I can't answer for him, but I believe most of us who have moral views that are not directly based on religion make our determinations based on observation as to whether a behavior or philosophy causes harm to others. In ambiguous situations, one has to make an educated guess to determine which action will create the least harm. In some situations upholding a principal that is important for maintaining peace and stability is more important than some harm that may be the result. The belief that all people should be treated equally and fairly unless one has a very good reason not to do so is one of those principals.
    Last edited by Hard Truth; 11-28-14 at 08:35 PM.

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