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  • Clinton

    8 36.36%
  • Warren

    10 45.45%
  • Webb

    13 59.09%
  • Sanders

    9 40.91%
  • Biden

    4 18.18%
  • O'Malley

    4 18.18%
  • Cuomo

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    Re: 2016 Democratic Presidential Primary

    I'll address each of the candidates individually:

    Clinton: She is leading in the polls right now by an extraordinary amount, but once people actually start to care about 2016, her lead will certainly decrease as time goes on. Claiming that Hillary is a lock because "omg she's leading in polls a year before the election" makes no sense. Opinions change over a year, people. Clinton does have numerous factors going against her, including the fact that she represents the democratic establishment, coming from the Obama administration. I didn't vote for her in the poll because a Clinton presidency would be even less progressive than what we have right now.

    Warren: I would enthusiastically vote for Warren. I disagree with this idea that Warren will lose in a landslide because she's "far left" or whatever. Warren has a populist style that would appeal to working class voters who voted Romney over Obama.

    Webb: Although Webb is better than Hillary, he's not going anywhere. He's terribly underfunded, as evidenced by his kind of pathetic 2016 website. I doubt that his exploratory committee will evolve into a full scale campaign, and if it does, it'll about as successful as Huntsman or Paul were in 2012. Again, Webb's populist rhetoric is the kind of appeal that could pull the white working class to the democratic party, but his anti-immigration stance is enough to push Hispanics towards the republican or stay home, depending on who the candidate is. I did vote for Webb in the poll, although in a hypothetical 2016 election, I'm not sure if I would support him. He is pretty progressive on most issues, but his immigration stance is unappealing. However, it is just a hypothetical scenario, and one that is unlikely to happen.

    Sanders: He's more interesting. Sanders also has the same populist thing going on as Warren and Webb. In fact, this is evidenced by the 2012 election, when Sanders received a higher percentage of the vote than Obama in Vermont. Despite the fact that he's an Independent, he's been a hero for the left wing of the democratic party for awhile now. I find it hard to believe that he would receive much opposition from voters by becoming a member of the democratic party in order to run, although I'm sure that some of his primary opponents will try to take that angle. I would enthusiastically vote for Sanders over all of the other options provided in the poll.

    Biden: Nobody with half of a brain would want Biden to run for the nomination unless they're looking a victory for the republicans. I don't dislike Biden personally, but the man is practically a gaffe machine and is attached to an unpopular administration.

    O'Malley: Idk why this guy is even taken seriously. No one even knows who he is outside of Maryland, and he doesn't represent any faction of the party that isn't better represented by one of the better candidates.

    Cuomo: Anyone who thinks this guy has a snowball's chance in hell of getting the nomination didn't pay any attention to his reelection campaign this year. (He essentially campaigned as a full-on right winger.) The man would be crushed in a primary, as he deserves to be.
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    Re: 2016 Democratic Presidential Primary

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    No, politics and election prediction has been my hobby since I first watched the 1956 Democratic and Republican conventions on TV. My career has been military all my life. 20 years active, another 26 as a Department of the Army Civilian. I would never change that.

    The bottom line is politics is fun, it is entertainment for me. I would have that no other way either.
    Oh, wow - you've been there, done that, and helped make the t-shirt, so to speak. I am sorta jealous 'cause that meant you lived through the sixties and the Summer of Love - that must have been an exciting time...and I missed it by a decade. That, and you also heard the Stones, the Beatles, Jimi Hendrix, and Janis Joplin when they were new and fresh...and I can just imagine how you feel when you see eighth-graders today wearing Jimi Hendrix t-shirts like they do here in Washington state. I've long thought that centuries from now, the music of the sixties and early seventies will be seen as just as classic as, and perhaps even more important than, what we think of as classical music by Bach, Beethoven, and Mozart.

    But that also meant that you watched the 1968 Democratic convention, and the assassination of the Kennedys, the rise of Vietnam, and the Civil Rights struggle. IMO for anyone interested in American history, the 1960's has to be the most interesting decade of all (even more so than the 1860's)...and you lived it!

    And one more thing - don't let your memories be lost once you pass away! Write a book, even if it's only published for free online, so that those that come after you can understand what you've seen, and learn from the lessons you have to teach....

    Cheers!
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    Re: 2016 Democratic Presidential Primary

    Quote Originally Posted by SmokeAndMirrors View Post
    Um... I think there's been some kind of miscommunication here. Because I wasn't arguing for a GOP dark horse. I was arguing for Warren.
    Ah. Sorry - my bad. It was probably my hair-trigger defensiveness affecting my perception. Again.
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    Re: 2016 Democratic Presidential Primary

    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    She has never shown she can stir anything up other than controversy. She's just not an exciting candidate. No one ever "gets a thrill up their leg" about Hillary Clinton.

    Not debating "my politicians" as you like to call them. This thread is about the Democratic Party. I have stuck to the topic of the thread and will continue to. That you decided to, for some unknown reason, make comments that have nothing to do with the topic makes no sense to me. You really brought no relevant point to the debate. Have a nice day.
    1. It's all too easy for someone to dismiss those from the other side as unexciting, just as I don't see anyone from the conservative side as 'exciting'. That said, you probably haven't heard Hillary speak in person, and I have. She's smarter and better than you think - I came away thoroughly impressed with how she quickly and readily answered tough questions with hard-and-fast replies and easily-verified statistics...and that's something I've never seen any other politician do. I strongly suspect that she had a heck of a lot more influence on her husband's presidency than people think....

    Those who are polarized against her will never consider her at all...but those who are on the fence, who do listen before making up their minds, are much more likely to vote for her than you might think.

    2. And when it comes to a different topic being brought up on a thread...that's *normal* for threads of any significant length. Over the twenty years I've been doing online discussions, it's been very rare for a thread of more than a few dozen posts to stay strictly on topic.
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    Re: 2016 Democratic Presidential Primary

    Quote Originally Posted by SocialDemocrat View Post

    Webb: Although Webb is better than Hillary, he's not going anywhere. He's terribly underfunded, as evidenced by his kind of pathetic 2016 website. I doubt that his exploratory committee will evolve into a full scale campaign, and if it does, it'll about as successful as Huntsman or Paul were in 2012. Again, Webb's populist rhetoric is the kind of appeal that could pull the white working class to the democratic party, but his anti-immigration stance is enough to push Hispanics towards the republican or stay home, depending on who the candidate is. I did vote for Webb in the poll, although in a hypothetical 2016 election, I'm not sure if I would support him. He is pretty progressive on most issues, but his immigration stance is unappealing. However, it is just a hypothetical scenario, and one that is unlikely to happen.
    If I recall, Webb voted in favor of the DREAM Act. Speaking as an open borders advocate myself, Webb's immigration stance isn't really all that bad. He is strongly in favor of securing the borders, sure, but he's also for some form of amnesty for those already here. This could serve as a good compromise on the issue.

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    Re: 2016 Democratic Presidential Primary

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    Oh, wow - you've been there, done that, and helped make the t-shirt, so to speak. I am sorta jealous 'cause that meant you lived through the sixties and the Summer of Love - that must have been an exciting time...and I missed it by a decade. That, and you also heard the Stones, the Beatles, Jimi Hendrix, and Janis Joplin when they were new and fresh...and I can just imagine how you feel when you see eighth-graders today wearing Jimi Hendrix t-shirts like they do here in Washington state. I've long thought that centuries from now, the music of the sixties and early seventies will be seen as just as classic as, and perhaps even more important than, what we think of as classical music by Bach, Beethoven, and Mozart.

    But that also meant that you watched the 1968 Democratic convention, and the assassination of the Kennedys, the rise of Vietnam, and the Civil Rights struggle. IMO for anyone interested in American history, the 1960's has to be the most interesting decade of all (even more so than the 1860's)...and you lived it!

    And one more thing - don't let your memories be lost once you pass away! Write a book, even if it's only published for free online, so that those that come after you can understand what you've seen, and learn from the lessons you have to teach....

    Cheers!
    I was drafted in the army back in 1966, made a career of it. I went to Thailand in May of 67 and that along with being a farm boy, I missed the decade of free love. But I was in High School when JFK was shot, pure shock and anger. The Cuban Missile Crisis was interesting not knowing if a nuke would be landing on us at any time. That worried me more than it did my dad, he was a WWII vet. He took it all in stride, no big thing.

    I was in Thailand in 1968 when the Democratic Convention was held. But I read about it in the Stars and Stripes and in the Bangkok Post. I never thought such a thing could happen. MLK and RFK's assassination, terrible. I thought the whole world had gone mad. What was interesting, I was stationed in Laos as part of the secret war in Civilian Clothes beginning in 1969 when Nixon came on TV and said we had no troops stationed in Laos. I followed that up with 2 years in Vietnam and 3 more in Thailand.

    Yeah, interesting times. I have thought about writing a memoir about my 10 years in Southeast Asia, May 1967 through July 1976. I haven't. I would have to run it all pass the military and get their okay for non-fiction, real life etc. Now fiction is another matter.

    On civil rights, what really sticks in my mind is Birmingham in 1963, the police using dogs and fire hoses on peaceful demonstrations. To me that was the turning point in the movement. At least for me, I doubt without Birmingham the 1964 civil rights bill would have never been passed. Birmingham got most peoples attention.

    From what I see being posted on DP I think most people in their posting do not put what happened in the 1960's into the context of the times and can not understand the why's, what was done and why. This goes from the anti-war protesters to the soldiers in Vietnam to the Civil Rights movements to even the killing of Oswald by Ruby. To what is perceived as a huge cover up of JFK murder by the government. Lots of reasons and nuances that are not in the history books. History is written with 20-20 hindsight, that makes it very hard to really understand the times, the reasons and whys, the fears. But I suppose most history is like that.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: 2016 Democratic Presidential Primary

    Quote Originally Posted by TeleKat View Post
    If I recall, Webb voted in favor of the DREAM Act. Speaking as an open borders advocate myself, Webb's immigration stance isn't really all that bad. He is strongly in favor of securing the borders, sure, but he's also for some form of amnesty for those already here. This could serve as a good compromise on the issue.
    He voted against the Comprehensive Immigration Reform Act of 2007, which was supported by the Republican president of the time. And although he voted for the Dream Act, he is one of the most "anti-immigration" politicians in the party. It's not a full right-wing stance, but when Democrats are very dependent on the Hispanic vote, it would be risky to nominate a candidate that a republican could potentially position themselves to the left of on immigration.
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    Re: 2016 Democratic Presidential Primary

    Quote Originally Posted by SocialDemocrat View Post
    He voted against the Comprehensive Immigration Reform Act of 2007, which was supported by the Republican president of the time. And although he voted for the Dream Act, he is one of the most "anti-immigration" politicians in the party. It's not a full right-wing stance, but when Democrats are very dependent on the Hispanic vote, it would be risky to nominate a candidate that a republican could potentially position themselves to the left of on immigration.
    Sure, but there is this to keep in mind:

    Immigration

    More Americans Favor Border Security over Amnesty | The Fiscal Times

    The majority of Americans seem to favor a middle of the road option with an emphasis on securing the border. I would personally rather someone far more relaxed on immigration, but as far as what will win....

    We should also keep in mind that while there might be a few Republicans that get the bright idea to run to the left of such a position, but that will lose them pretty much all of their base. Republicans of all stripes are overwhelmingly in favor of locked-down borders and no amnesty. And they have proven they will lynch their own on that issue. Just look at Eric Cantor.
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    Re: 2016 Democratic Presidential Primary

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    I was drafted in the army back in 1966, made a career of it. I went to Thailand in May of 67 and that along with being a farm boy, I missed the decade of free love. But I was in High School when JFK was shot, pure shock and anger. The Cuban Missile Crisis was interesting not knowing if a nuke would be landing on us at any time. That worried me more than it did my dad, he was a WWII vet. He took it all in stride, no big thing.

    I was in Thailand in 1968 when the Democratic Convention was held. But I read about it in the Stars and Stripes and in the Bangkok Post. I never thought such a thing could happen. MLK and RFK's assassination, terrible. I thought the whole world had gone mad. What was interesting, I was stationed in Laos as part of the secret war in Civilian Clothes beginning in 1969 when Nixon came on TV and said we had no troops stationed in Laos. I followed that up with 2 years in Vietnam and 3 more in Thailand.

    Yeah, interesting times. I have thought about writing a memoir about my 10 years in Southeast Asia, May 1967 through July 1976. I haven't. I would have to run it all pass the military and get their okay for non-fiction, real life etc. Now fiction is another matter.

    On civil rights, what really sticks in my mind is Birmingham in 1963, the police using dogs and fire hoses on peaceful demonstrations. To me that was the turning point in the movement. At least for me, I doubt without Birmingham the 1964 civil rights bill would have never been passed. Birmingham got most peoples attention.

    From what I see being posted on DP I think most people in their posting do not put what happened in the 1960's into the context of the times and can not understand the why's, what was done and why. This goes from the anti-war protesters to the soldiers in Vietnam to the Civil Rights movements to even the killing of Oswald by Ruby. To what is perceived as a huge cover up of JFK murder by the government. Lots of reasons and nuances that are not in the history books. History is written with 20-20 hindsight, that makes it very hard to really understand the times, the reasons and whys, the fears. But I suppose most history is like that.
    Greetings, Pero.

    Before you write your memoirs, I want to read your anthology! Are you close to wrapping it up? After I read that then I look forward to reading your autobiography. I believe it would sell lots of books, because you seem to have lived a most interesting life - and we probably don't know the half of it! !

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    Re: 2016 Democratic Presidential Primary

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    I was drafted in the army back in 1966, made a career of it. I went to Thailand in May of 67 and that along with being a farm boy, I missed the decade of free love. But I was in High School when JFK was shot, pure shock and anger. The Cuban Missile Crisis was interesting not knowing if a nuke would be landing on us at any time. That worried me more than it did my dad, he was a WWII vet. He took it all in stride, no big thing.

    I was in Thailand in 1968 when the Democratic Convention was held. But I read about it in the Stars and Stripes and in the Bangkok Post. I never thought such a thing could happen. MLK and RFK's assassination, terrible. I thought the whole world had gone mad. What was interesting, I was stationed in Laos as part of the secret war in Civilian Clothes beginning in 1969 when Nixon came on TV and said we had no troops stationed in Laos. I followed that up with 2 years in Vietnam and 3 more in Thailand.

    Yeah, interesting times. I have thought about writing a memoir about my 10 years in Southeast Asia, May 1967 through July 1976. I haven't. I would have to run it all pass the military and get their okay for non-fiction, real life etc. Now fiction is another matter.

    On civil rights, what really sticks in my mind is Birmingham in 1963, the police using dogs and fire hoses on peaceful demonstrations. To me that was the turning point in the movement. At least for me, I doubt without Birmingham the 1964 civil rights bill would have never been passed. Birmingham got most peoples attention.

    From what I see being posted on DP I think most people in their posting do not put what happened in the 1960's into the context of the times and can not understand the why's, what was done and why. This goes from the anti-war protesters to the soldiers in Vietnam to the Civil Rights movements to even the killing of Oswald by Ruby. To what is perceived as a huge cover up of JFK murder by the government. Lots of reasons and nuances that are not in the history books. History is written with 20-20 hindsight, that makes it very hard to really understand the times, the reasons and whys, the fears. But I suppose most history is like that.
    I sorta know what you mean about being far away from what's happening. I remember when I was on the Ranger back in '83, the only news we got was a one-page brief once a month...but that was also how I found out that the coup in Guatemala (or was it Honduras) happened the day after we held an air show on board for the general who conducted the coup the next day...gee, why were we there?

    Thailand...well, if Pattaya was any indication, that was probably better than the Summer of Love any day of the week.

    And worrying about ICBM's flying our way from the USSR...I remember those days when my friends and I were Absolutely Sure the missiles would be coming any day now, and so we had our guns and our plans to strike out on our own once the bombs fell. People today have no clue what it meant to be living under that nuclear sword of Damocles. I remember when my ship pulled in to the World's Fair in Vancouver B.C. back in '86 - the Chinese pavilion was grand, and I wanted so much to go inside the biggest pavilion - the Soviet one - but my friends and I were pretty sure that if we did, we would be noticed and targeted for contact by Soviet agents...or at least be noticed by agents of our own side and thus lose our security clearances, no trial, no appeal, but instant loss of our security clearances...and you know what that does to a military career. Man, but I never understood until much later how it sucked to be living with such paranoia.

    Life is indeed much, much better these days...if incredibly more complicated.
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