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    A question regarding Atlas Shrugged

    If it's OK for workers to strike when they are unfairly treated by business, then is it OK for businesses to strike when unfairly treated by government?

    I didn't read the book, and only saw the first two "Atlas Shrugged" movies, but in both, major corporations just shut down, on strike, when the government kept pushing them.

    I thought about this idea after seeing the Walmart strike thread.

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    Re: A question regarding Atlas Shrugged

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord of Planar View Post
    If it's OK for workers to strike when they are unfairly treated by business, then is it OK for businesses to strike when unfairly treated by government?
    No, because they have a democratic level of participation in the government. In a democratic society where there are peaceful mechanisms to change the law, It hardly makes sense. Also You are using the word 'business' as if a business is a type of person that can protest. Only the people that run a business can protest something, not the business itself. A 'business' is just a concept.

    I also want to know your definition of "unfair".
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    Re: A question regarding Atlas Shrugged

    Quote Originally Posted by ThesisQuasar View Post
    No, because they have a democratic level of participation in the government. In a democratic society where there are peaceful mechanisms to change the law, It hardly makes sense. Also You are using the word 'business' as if a business is a type of person that can protest. Only the people that run a business can protest something, not the business itself. A 'business' is just a concept.
    So it would amount to the decision of the CEO, stock holders, etc. A group of people make such a decision, like a group who strikes.

    Right?

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    Re: A question regarding Atlas Shrugged

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord of Planar View Post
    If it's OK for workers to strike when they are unfairly treated by business, then is it OK for businesses to strike when unfairly treated by government?

    I didn't read the book, and only saw the first two "Atlas Shrugged" movies, but in both, major corporations just shut down, on strike, when the government kept pushing them.

    I thought about this idea after seeing the Walmart strike thread.
    ?? OK for the business to simply shut down until the government quits pushing them?

    Of course they have that right. No business has to stay open.

    Now, should a significant portion of business simply say, "We're closing our doors for a couple of days to protest government intrusion," they just might get people's attention.

    But, like an employee strike, they'd have to be unified and have to have a significant percentage of cooperation.
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    Re: A question regarding Atlas Shrugged

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord of Planar View Post
    If it's OK for workers to strike when they are unfairly treated by business, then is it OK for businesses to strike when unfairly treated by government?

    I didn't read the book, and only saw the first two "Atlas Shrugged" movies, but in both, major corporations just shut down, on strike, when the government kept pushing them.

    I thought about this idea after seeing the Walmart strike thread.
    I read the book back in the late 70's - I didn't see what the big deal was about it then...and I still don't, because it's obvious that the author assumed that only those who thought as she did would ever be productive citizens. To me, it's a less sensible version of the Morlocks and Eloi in H.G. Wells' "The Time Machine".

    And while any business should be able to strike, have we really ever seen major businesses strike? Ever? Not to my recollection. We've seen employees of businesses strike, but not the businesses themselves.

    I would say it's a lot more sensible to address what DOES happen - employees of a business striking against that business...and don't waste one's time worrying about what does NOT happen - a business striking against the government.
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    Re: A question regarding Atlas Shrugged

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    But, like an employee strike, they'd have to be unified and have to have a significant percentage of cooperation.
    You mean like the several that did in Atlas Shrugged?

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    Re: A question regarding Atlas Shrugged

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    ?? OK for the business to simply shut down until the government quits pushing them?

    Of course they have that right. No business has to stay open.

    Now, should a significant portion of business simply say, "We're closing our doors for a couple of days to protest government intrusion," they just might get people's attention.

    But, like an employee strike, they'd have to be unified and have to have a significant percentage of cooperation.
    Which is essentially what happened in the book.

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    Re: A question regarding Atlas Shrugged

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord of Planar View Post
    So it would amount to the decision of the CEO, stock holders, etc. A group of people make such a decision, like a group who strikes.

    Right?
    Technically, anyone can protest anything given that it's peaceful. The better question is what basis is being used to justify the protest? Is the basis valid and well backed?

    The idea of businesses mass protesting seems to be a remarkably unlikely scenario though. Consider: Stock holders are detached from the business and will just pull stock at the first sign of trouble, there can easily be internal conflict within a business, workers may dislike the business or disagree with the premise that the protest is based on. It's also difficult for businesses to connect with each other in any unified fashion - especially among competitors. A business shouldn't have to be viewed as something that needs love and care in a similar manner to a person, it should simply be viewed as a concept, and who ever likes a given business, likes it. As for the strike itself, it probably would not be very big at all.
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    Re: A question regarding Atlas Shrugged

    Quote Originally Posted by ThesisQuasar View Post
    No, because they have a democratic level of participation in the government. In a democratic society where there are peaceful mechanisms to change the law, It hardly makes sense. Also You are using the word 'business' as if a business is a type of person that can protest. Only the people that run a business can protest something, not the business itself. A 'business' is just a concept.

    I also want to know your definition of "unfair".
    They own the business, so when the owner decides to go on strike and shut his doors they have taken whatever service the business provided with them. If enough businesses actually closed their doors even for a short time society itself would crumble pretty quickly. A real unified strike of businesses would be extremely effective.

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    Re: A question regarding Atlas Shrugged

    Quote Originally Posted by ThesisQuasar View Post
    Technically, anyone can protest anything given that it's peaceful. The better question is what basis is being used to justify the protest? Is the basis valid and well backed?

    The idea of businesses mass protesting seems to be a remarkably unlikely scenario though. Consider: Stock holders are detached from the business and will just pull stock at the first sign of trouble, there can easily be internal conflict within a business, workers may dislike the business or disagree with the premise that the protest is based on. It's also difficult for businesses to connect with each other in any unified fashion - especially among competitors. A business shouldn't have to be viewed as something that needs love and care in a similar manner to a person, it should simply be viewed as a concept, and who ever likes a given business, likes it. As for the strike itself, it probably would not be very big at all.
    A business is property of someone, and respecting their property rights is something the government shouldn't just ignore like they commonly do. Just because I'm running a business doesn't mean that I somehow don't matter.

    As for the rest of your argument, they would clearly have to go into it with it knowing that all employees would either have to be fired or not paid for however long the strike takes place. If it was actually a unified strike the workers would have pretty much no choice but to deal with it.

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