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Thread: A question regarding Atlas Shrugged

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    Re: A question regarding Atlas Shrugged

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    That logic applies to workers and to businesses if there isn't enough support for the strike. There is always the possibility that competitors will not support the strike, but will take advantage of the situation to fill the void left by strikers.
    That's why I said in my response to him that there's always a variety of possibilities. I was just pointing out that the logic applies to both sides.
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    Re: A question regarding Atlas Shrugged

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    Guy, we ALL depend upon subsidies...or haven't you eaten any bread lately, since we share the benefit of low prices thanks to the subsidies we pay wheat farmers? If anybody who got subsidies couldn't vote, most of our farmers couldn't vote. Most of our elderly couldn't vote (Medicare/Medicaid). Anybody whose children got reduced-cost lunches at school couldn't vote. Anybody who went on unemployment because they were laid off after their company went out of business couldn't vote...which means you're disenfranchising people because their employers didn't know how to run a business properly.

    And then there's the taxpayer-supported state colleges - the students pay lower prices thanks to those tax dollars, so I guess they couldn't vote, either. And then there's those who serve in the military - we got lower prices at the commissary, free housing, and so forth. Sure, you might try to label those as 'benefits' - but in reality, they're subsidies.

    And then there's the victims of disasters - they couldn't vote, either. And women who were stuck with the children and had to go on public assistance because their husbands decided to leave couldn't vote, either. The list goes on and on.

    In other words, guy, what you're proposing is a can of worms that you really don't want to open.
    I'm down with ending all subsidies. Lets open that can of worms and dump it on the floor. Farm subsidies is corporate welfare, and public assistance no matter it's form is using the government to rob people for your individual benefit. Yeah, I'm totally down with ending that. Voters need to get it through their head that the public treasury is not there to provide them their needs.

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    Re: A question regarding Atlas Shrugged

    Strikes would be a costly and ineffective way for business to gett influence then they have so many other means. For example lobbying, PR, advertisment, giving donations to political parties, thinktanks and universities, hiring ex politcian and ex govermental workers. They can also sue the goverment in regular courts and in Investor-state dispute settlement. They can also threaten to leave the country or close their business or firing workers. They can also get away from paying taxes buy using tax havens and tax loopholes. This is just some of the means coperations have to influence goverment and goverment decisions.

    A more intersting question is wich companies can influence goverment the most. I guess in both my country Sweden and USA it's mostly big business. For example they have more means to use tax havens and tax loopholes leading to that small business get a larger share of the tax burden.
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    Re: A question regarding Atlas Shrugged

    Quote Originally Posted by Bergslagstroll View Post
    Strikes would be a costly and ineffective way for business to gett influence then they have so many other means. For example lobbying, PR, advertismentsm giving donations to political parties, thinktanks and universities, hiring ex politcian and ex govermental workers. They can also sue the goverment in regular courts and in Investor-state dispute settlement. They can also threaten to leave the country or close their business or firing workers. They can also get away from paying taxes buy using tax havens and tax loopholes. This is just some of the means coperation have to influence goverment.

    A more intersting question is wich companies can influence goverment the most. I guess in both my country Sweden and USA it's mostly big business. For example they have more means to use tax havens and tax loopholes leading to that small business get a larger share of the tax burden.
    That's a great idea: that strikes are ineffective compared to other more tested means such as lawsuits or lobbying.
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    Re: A question regarding Atlas Shrugged

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    I'm down with ending all subsidies. Lets open that can of worms and dump it on the floor. Farm subsidies is corporate welfare, and public assistance no matter it's form is using the government to rob people for your individual benefit. Yeah, I'm totally down with ending that. Voters need to get it through their head that the public treasury is not there to provide them their needs.
    And there's a whole host of third-world dictators who know exactly what you mean.
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    Re: A question regarding Atlas Shrugged

    Quote Originally Posted by Proud South Korean View Post
    That's a great idea: that strikes are ineffective compared to other more tested means such as lawsuits or lobbying.
    and the purchase of politicians.
    "Donald Trump is a phony, a fraud... [he's] playing the American public for suckers." Mitt Romney

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    Re: A question regarding Atlas Shrugged

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Where there is demand, there are always people who will supply that demand.
    Drug warriors and gun banners should take that lesson to heart.

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