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Thread: A question regarding Atlas Shrugged

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    Re: A question regarding Atlas Shrugged

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    Re: A question regarding Atlas Shrugged

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord of Planar View Post
    If it's OK for workers to strike when they are unfairly treated by business, then is it OK for businesses to strike when unfairly treated by government?

    I didn't read the book, and only saw the first two "Atlas Shrugged" movies, but in both, major corporations just shut down, on strike, when the government kept pushing them.

    I thought about this idea after seeing the Walmart strike thread.
    Of course they could strike. It would probably help things a great deal these days.
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    Re: A question regarding Atlas Shrugged

    It would never happen as it would ultimately be self defeating when the company's competitors just stepped in and filled the void.
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    Re: A question regarding Atlas Shrugged

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    It would never happen as it would ultimately be self defeating when the company's competitors just stepped in and filled the void.
    The same logic would apply to striking workers although there is a bit of a difference.
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    Re: A question regarding Atlas Shrugged

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord of Planar View Post
    If it's OK for workers to strike when they are unfairly treated by business, then is it OK for businesses to strike when unfairly treated by government?

    I didn't read the book, and only saw the first two "Atlas Shrugged" movies, but in both, major corporations just shut down, on strike, when the government kept pushing them.

    I thought about this idea after seeing the Walmart strike thread.
    In my opinion, businesses would never strike because they pretty much own Washington with their money.

    Just looking at this from a realistic point of view.
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    Re: A question regarding Atlas Shrugged

    Quote Originally Posted by Proud South Korean View Post
    The same logic would apply to striking workers although there is a bit of a difference.
    If a company workers go on strike, the company usually could not simply bring in alternative workers as there is a ramp up period due to training issues. Unless a company has a monopoly, if they simply go on strike one of their competitors will just fill the void with their products, thus its would always be self defeating. Which is why it doesn't happen.
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    Re: A question regarding Atlas Shrugged

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    If a company workers go on strike, the company usually could not simply bring in alternative workers as there is a ramp up period due to training issues. Unless a company has a monopoly, if they simply go on strike one of their competitors will just fill the void with their products, thus its would always be self defeating. Which is why it doesn't happen.
    I am currently writing a long post about the whole topic and I agree completely with the bolded part and think that it is the main reason why companies generally don't "strike". I generally agree with the first sentence but there are always exceptions such as in low-training jobs. It all depends on the situation and economy, specifically the number of unemployed skilled workers in the economy. Actually I finished reading Grapes of Wrath (which I think I'll write a review about here) and the situation in the book is that because there are so many starving farm workers during the Dust Bowl, the companies kept pushing prices down to the point where they were barely enough to feed themselves.
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    Re: A question regarding Atlas Shrugged

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord of Planar View Post
    If it's OK for workers to strike when they are unfairly treated by business, then is it OK for businesses to strike when unfairly treated by government?

    I didn't read the book, and only saw the first two "Atlas Shrugged" movies, but in both, major corporations just shut down, on strike, when the government kept pushing them.

    I thought about this idea after seeing the Walmart strike thread.
    Closely held companies are private property and can do what ever they wish with their property. Public companies however have a duty to their stockholders and can't do anything on a whim. Public companies have to go through a process to do something as drastic as strike.
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    Re: A question regarding Atlas Shrugged

    Quote Originally Posted by Proud South Korean View Post
    The same logic would apply to striking workers although there is a bit of a difference.
    That logic applies to workers and to businesses if there isn't enough support for the strike. There is always the possibility that competitors will not support the strike, but will take advantage of the situation to fill the void left by strikers.
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    Re: A question regarding Atlas Shrugged

    Businesses of course have that right and there have been some cases when businesses went on "strike" on some grievances (not always government-related). However the reason why they generally haven't been successful is because unlike workers, businesses are harder to unify. To have a successful protest/strike, it is necessary to have unity, otherwise it would fail for obvious reasons. However the objective of businesses is to make a profit and to do so, they need to compete which is why it is so hard to achieve the unity necessary for a strike.

    Workers can cooperate with each other (and indeed, is often within their interests to do so) for a limited amount of time and they are not always in direct competition with each other.

    That's not to say companies never have nor never will "strike". There have been instances when companies united together to "strike". In addition, if a particular industry has a monopoly or a duopoly, then it becomes that much easier to have a "strike".

    As with most things in politics, life, and the world, it all depends on the situation.
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    "The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of blessings; the inherent virtue of socialism is the equal sharing of miseries" - Winston Churchill

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