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Thread: A question regarding Atlas Shrugged

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    Re: A question regarding Atlas Shrugged

    Quote Originally Posted by ARealConservative View Post
    written so poorly that millions encourage others to read it.
    The same is true of books like Twilight. Doesn't make them good.
    There is nothing demonstrably true that religion can provide the world that cannot be achieved more rationally through entirely secular means.

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    Re: A question regarding Atlas Shrugged

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    The same is true of books like Twilight. Doesn't make them good.
    eye of the beholder says otherwise.

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    Re: A question regarding Atlas Shrugged

    Quote Originally Posted by ARealConservative View Post
    eye of the beholder says otherwise.
    It just proves there are a lot of stupid people out there.
    There is nothing demonstrably true that religion can provide the world that cannot be achieved more rationally through entirely secular means.

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    Re: A question regarding Atlas Shrugged

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    The same is true of books like Twilight. Doesn't make them good.
    Come on, teenage vampires and werewolves falling in love is a literary giant.

    How this wretched mess made it to such heights of popularity scares me.
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    Re: A question regarding Atlas Shrugged

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    It just proves there are a lot of stupid people out there.
    a lot of stupid people argue about works of art like it isn't subjective.

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    Re: A question regarding Atlas Shrugged

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord of Planar View Post
    Really?

    Why do so many liberal/progressive agendas cost tax payers more? I see is more and more desire for bigger governments, hence more tax dollars. I see more demand for programs to subsidize others.

    What do progressives want that do not require government revenues to increase?
    Personally I do support many agendas that would cost tax payers more. That however doesn't mean I want to dictate the production output, the number of employees, the exact wages that businesses have to abide by a la Ayn Rand's novels. Your argument ad absurdum was just that, absurd.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord of Planar View Post
    If you mean that I believe I can spend my money better than government, then yes.

    I recognize government is needed. We simply have far more government than is needed.
    I meant exactly what I said. 'Me, me, me' is the basis of Ayn Rands entire philosophy. She wallows in selfishness and egoism, while not recognizing that personal sacrifice can be a net benefit to society and ultimately, yourself.
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    Re: A question regarding Atlas Shrugged

    Some jackass voted that nobody should go on strike. Was that Jack Hays, or someone else?
    Quote Originally Posted by truthatallcost View Post
    Pepe Booth strikes again.

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    Re: A question regarding Atlas Shrugged

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord of Planar View Post
    If it's OK for workers to strike when they are unfairly treated by business, then is it OK for businesses to strike when unfairly treated by government?

    I didn't read the book, and only saw the first two "Atlas Shrugged" movies, but in both, major corporations just shut down, on strike, when the government kept pushing them.

    I thought about this idea after seeing the Walmart strike thread.
    I've read the book a number of times over my life and I've seen the movies once. I recommend you read the book.

    My simple answer to your question is, yes...it is okay for businesses to strike.

    In the book, government wasn't simply treating businesses unfairly. Government had, in fact, taken control of all decision making away from those who owned businesses...and then demanded that those owners make the business work. Those business owners who "went on strike"...stopped working, that is...were breaking the law. So, it wasn't a step taken to make a statement or influence lawmakers. It was a conscious decision to not take part in the system placed upon them by the government. In effect, they walked away from their business and let the government have it.

    We are not at that point in real life...yet. But we just might get there. Government has taken similar steps against individuals and businesses with Obamacare.
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    Re: A question regarding Atlas Shrugged

    Quote Originally Posted by Jesse Booth View Post
    Some jackass voted that nobody should go on strike. Was that Jack Hays, or someone else?
    Your answer might be in post #2.

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    Re: A question regarding Atlas Shrugged

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord of Planar View Post
    There may be some truth in that.

    What I have seen over the last several decades, is that voters don't vote for what is best for society as much as they vote for what is best for them. I believe to protect from the lazy harming the world, we need to regulate voting. My libertarian side hates regulation until they become necessary, and I believe this may become necessary. We need to disallow voting by people who rely on subsidies. All they ever vote for are politicians and measures that give them more of other people's money.

    I have been saying for years that the America I knew and grew up with is doomed to fail. My reasons are because of the "me, me, me" attitude of voters.
    Guy, we ALL depend upon subsidies...or haven't you eaten any bread lately, since we share the benefit of low prices thanks to the subsidies we pay wheat farmers? If anybody who got subsidies couldn't vote, most of our farmers couldn't vote. Most of our elderly couldn't vote (Medicare/Medicaid). Anybody whose children got reduced-cost lunches at school couldn't vote. Anybody who went on unemployment because they were laid off after their company went out of business couldn't vote...which means you're disenfranchising people because their employers didn't know how to run a business properly.

    And then there's the taxpayer-supported state colleges - the students pay lower prices thanks to those tax dollars, so I guess they couldn't vote, either. And then there's those who serve in the military - we got lower prices at the commissary, free housing, and so forth. Sure, you might try to label those as 'benefits' - but in reality, they're subsidies.

    And then there's the victims of disasters - they couldn't vote, either. And women who were stuck with the children and had to go on public assistance because their husbands decided to leave couldn't vote, either. The list goes on and on.

    In other words, guy, what you're proposing is a can of worms that you really don't want to open.
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