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Cigar robbery should cost a guy his life ?

cigar robbery costs a guy his life ?


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nobody is stupid here and lets not forget we dont have to be an expert on USA'S laws in order to know that not everybody can be killed because they were thought as a threat


what will you say about Martin ?

was he trying to harm anyone when zimmer wanted to follow him ?

isnt there anhone WHO want to agree with this fact ?

Was Martin hurting anyone when he was slamming Zimmerman's head into the ground? That was when he was killed, not when he was followed.

Anybody can follow anybody at any time for any reason. The followed cannot slam the head of the follower into the ground without consequences.
 
Martin got shot because he pounded a man's head into the sidewalk, an act capable of causing serious or lethal injury. Had he not done so, odds are he'd still be alive.

Brown got shot for attacking a police officer and trying to take his gun.


In both cases, the actions of the deceased lead to their being shot.


In both cases, they would have lived if they had refrained from attacking another human being.


I have no sympathy for either. They got what they insisted on getting.

if l was a guy and someone followed me while walking on the Street l would want to defend myself,maybe
 
nobody is stupid here and lets not forget we dont have to be an expert on USA'S laws in order to know that not everybody can be killed because they were thought as a threat


what will you say about Martin ?

was he trying to harm anyone when zimmer wanted to follow him ?

isnt there anhone WHO want to agree with this fact ?

Yet again you do not understand the US laws, and especially self defense.

Why post about things that you do not understand?

You show no willingness to learn, but continue to complain about that which you do not know.

That makes this thread a waste of time and effort for those who try and answer.
 
if l was a guy and someone followed me while walking on the Street l would want to defend myself,maybe

You would defend yourself from somebody following you?

Is the following of somebody in Turkey illegal or does it put your life in danger?

Please explain that.
 
Yet again you do not understand the US laws, and especially self defense.

Why post about things that you do not understand?

You show no willingness to learn, but continue to complain about that which you do not know.

That makes this thread a waste of time and effort for those who try and answer.

After saying that, what does that say about us that answer her?
 
You would defend yourself from somebody following you?

Is the following of somebody in Turkey illegal or does it put your life in danger?

Please explain that.

following the others isnt a normal action ,you know ?
 
After saying that, what does that say about us that answer her?

That we are beating our heads against a brick wall with no success.
 
Yet again you do not understand the US laws, and especially self defense.

Why post about things that you do not understand?

You show no willingness to learn, but continue to complain about that which you do not know.

That makes this thread a waste of time and effort for those who try and answer.
if so please dont post
 
my god.no tolerance.no freedom of thought.no democracy.l need a gun:mrgreen:
 
if l was a guy and someone followed me while walking on the Street l would want to defend myself,maybe

If you attacked someone for walking near you, you would be the aggressor and someone could justifiably use force against you in self-defense.

Trayvon Martin attacked another man and hit his head into the concrete.

Aggression is always wrong.

All parents need to teach their young men to avoid these sorts of events is to know better than to attack folks, something pretty basic.
 
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There are five scenarios:

1. If the robber is not detained, and currently threatening people with deadly force

-Deadly force should only be used to counter a currently present deadly force from another person/thing. If possible, stun a deadly person rather than kill.

2. If the robber is on the lose, and not able to threaten anyone.

-The robber can't harm anyone, so stunning is the most that should be used.

3. If the robber is on the lose, has killed someone, and is not able to threaten people.

-Same as above, unless the robber begins to threaten people with deadly force.

4. If the robber is on the lose, has killed someone, and is able to threaten people.

-Take the robber out, so at to prevent the lose of innocent life as much as possible. If the robber stops threatening people and surrenders, or puts him/herself in a scenario where they cannot threaten anyone else, then the most that can be used is stun force.

5. If the robber is detained, in prison, etc.

-Under no circumstances should a detained criminal, no matter the degree of their crimes, should be executed, because they cannot threaten anyone within society, They can and should be given extensive rehabilitation, and it is the humane thing to do.

It all comes down to whether they someone is threatening others with deadly force or not.

Taser/stun guns are not authorized for every state, every police department. Where they are they are only authorized for use by those who have had the training.
 
Taser/stun guns are not authorized for every state, every police department. Where they are they are only authorized for use by those who have had the training.

And Wilson's GJ testimony indicated that the dept had only 1 taser and he opted for mace.
 
if l was a guy and someone followed me while walking on the Street l would want to defend myself,maybe


It's been established that there was no evidence Martin was defending. There was plentiful evidence Z was assaulted violently. Therefore there was no evidence to support convicting Z. We really gonna do this again?




Edit: No we aren't. I'm not talking about Martin/Zim anymore in this thread. This thread is about Brown, who assaulted a cop.
 
nobody is stupid here and lets not forget we dont have to be an expert on USA'S laws in order to know that not everybody can be killed because they were thought as a threat

Yes, yes you do have to at least know the laws to make that determination and not appear ignorant. Federal, state and local. Self defense laws vary.

what will you say about Martin ?

There was a trial and Zimmerman was acquitted. They found Martin to be the aggressor and Zimmerman in fear for his life.

was he trying to harm anyone when zimmer wanted to follow him ?

Doesn't matter.

isnt there anhone WHO want to agree with this fact ?

I'm sure there is, the ignorant, the racists and the uniformed. But really, first you'd have to be familiar with some actual facts.
 
following the others isnt a normal action ,you know ?

It absolutely is when there had been a string of robberies in the area and the followed was not known to the follower, you know.
 
It absolutely is when there had been a string of robberies in the area and the followed was not known to the follower, you know.

I don't follow.....
 
Taser/stun guns are not authorized for every state, every police department. Where they are they are only authorized for use by those who have had the training.

I wasn't referring to just stun guns when I used the word 'stun'. I used that word very broadly for any type of stunning.
 
but he had no gun .thats the question.it means he didnt want to shoot anyone with a gun

No sweetie. What I am saying is that you don't need a gun to harm someone. He looked to be twice the size of the officer, and was charging towards him. He could have beaten him to a pulp, quite possibly without breaking a sweat.
 
I don't follow.....

She was saying it is not normal to follow somebody. This was in reference to the Martin case, not this one.

Zimmerman followed Martin because there had been robberies in the area and martin was unknown to him.

In that scenario, it is perfectly normal to follow somebody. Maybe not in Turkey, but certainly in the US.
 
no goshin,a life is always more important than Money.would you let them kill you instead of giving all your Money ?

The fact that he committed a strong-arm robbery didn't have anything to do with his getting shot. He got shot because he was charging the police officer.
 
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