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    Re: Is Violent "Protest" Effective?

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    I agree and it bears out what I'm saying. Confronting non violence with violence did not benefit the violent. One of the things I respect most about MLK was his insistence on non violence and that's what precipitated the change.
    You're right about MLK. There was never any doubt who was responsible for the violence in Birmingham. There is also no doubt who is responsible for the violence in Ferguson.
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    Re: Is Violent "Protest" Effective?

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    I don't know if it would make a difference or not. But if the police live in and knew quite a lot of the people in the town he is an officer and the town folk knew him, that might have made a huge difference. Then again maybe not. I never lived in a big city.
    I have a cop who lives across the street from me. Don't even know his name. The person next door to him has told me a few times, but I cannot remember it.

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    Re: Is Violent "Protest" Effective?

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    Greetings, Pero.

    Same in my town. The police force here is relatively small, but they can call on the County Sheriff's Department for help, if necessary, but I honestly cannot recall the last when they may have had to do that, though. Our police routinely go the schools to teach children safety tips, and we all know each other since they have to live in our city if they want to be hired to work here. Our children respect the police, but I saw a lot of disrespect by some adults in Ferguson, I'm sorry to say, and it's bound to be noticed by the children. Sad...
    Exactly, the same here. If I run into the Sheriff at Dunkin Donuts or someplace it is always, howdy Jack, how's the wife and kids. I live out in the country so I don't deal with the town police of Stockbridge or McDonough. But I do know close to all of those who are in the country Sheriff's Department. I think it makes a big difference.

    Now I don't know if it would in a big city like Atlanta, Cleveland or St. Louis. It couldn't hurt to try.
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    Re: Is Violent "Protest" Effective?

    Quote Originally Posted by Declan View Post
    I have a cop who lives across the street from me. Don't even know his name. The person next door to him has told me a few times, but I cannot remember it.
    That seems to be how life is today. I live out in the country, but I know most of the officers in the Sheriff's department personally. Not the officers in the town's though.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: Is Violent "Protest" Effective?

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    That seems to be how life is today. I live out in the country, but I know most of the officers in the Sheriff's department personally. Not the officers in the town's though.
    I know the neighbors who live on either side of him. He just isn't a friendly person. we will nod and good morning, etc but just isn't someone who chats. I have had conversations with people going to his house more substantive than with him. His wife is a nurse and she isn't particularly friendly either. The guy on one side is retired and he is a chatty and the guy on the other side is a fireman who has seen me doing things and come over to help, chat, etc.

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    Re: Is Violent "Protest" Effective?

    Quote Originally Posted by Declan View Post
    I know the neighbors who live on either side of him. He just isn't a friendly person. we will nod and good morning, etc but just isn't someone who chats. I have had conversations with people going to his house more substantive than with him. His wife is a nurse and she isn't particularly friendly either. The guy on one side is retired and he is a chatty and the guy on the other side is a fireman who has seen me doing things and come over to help, chat, etc.
    Some people are like that, basically loners or just a family man. I have had numerous people tell me that when they first met me I was quiet as all get out, but once I got to know them they couldn't shut me up.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: Is Violent "Protest" Effective?

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    My thought was immediately whether violent "protest" ever actually made any situation better or made people more likely to sympathize with whatever the protesters are mad about or is more likely to set people against them? I think it's the latter. I do think there is a case, sometimes, for civil disobedience but that's not the same as saying that violence is justified and/or effective as a means of protest.
    I think sometimes violent protest can be effective. The American Revolution was a violent protest, and that worked out pretty well. You could point to a number of other similar situations. The Arab Spring is probably the most recent.
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    Re: Is Violent "Protest" Effective?

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    When it's participants are revolting, I guess.
    That's what the Tsar and Loius 16th said.................

    look what happened to them...............LMAO!!!

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    Re: Is Violent "Protest" Effective?

    Quote Originally Posted by molten_dragon View Post
    I think sometimes violent protest can be effective. The American Revolution was a violent protest, and that worked out pretty well. You could point to a number of other similar situations. The Arab Spring is probably the most recent.
    Yes, the American revolution and the Arab Spring are examples of violent protests that worked.
    Well, the former anyway. It's a bit of a stretch to say that anyone in Arab lands is actually free as a result.

    But that's an aside.

    Now, had the colonists gone out and stolen goods from other colonists and burned their stores, just how effective would the revolution have been?

    What we're seeing in Ferguson and now around the country is not violent protest, or any sort of protest. What we're seeing is an excuse to steal and destroy property, pure and simple.
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    Re: Is Violent "Protest" Effective?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Yes, the American revolution and the Arab Spring are examples of violent protests that worked.
    Well, the former anyway. It's a bit of a stretch to say that anyone in Arab lands is actually free as a result.

    But that's an aside.

    Now, had the colonists gone out and stolen goods from other colonists and burned their stores, just how effective would the revolution have been?

    What we're seeing in Ferguson and now around the country is not violent protest, or any sort of protest. What we're seeing is an excuse to steal and destroy property, pure and simple.
    So it appears the debate actually comes down to what people consider violent protest. To me the Revolution was... Well a revolution. It was not a protest. A violent protest may lead to revolution but at some point it stops being a protest and becomes revolution. They are two separate things.

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