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Was justice served in Ferguson?

Was justice served in Ferguson?


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In my polls I attempt to isolate variables. I must make a distinction somewhere, at some point.
Are you telling me you are precisely in the middle with no lean in any direction? Have you taken one of those political spectrum tests online? That might give you an idea of where you lean.



For one thing, I don't like the "left/right" view of politics as it is too simplistic. The 2d spectrum is a little better as it covers more ground but it is still a flawed representation of a more complex reality.

But if we MUST use left and right, yes I lean right on certain issues... and a little left on others, and sort of libertarian on some things, and sort of "none of the above" on others.

But mostly I'm a centrist because I don't usually support extreme views or policies as I don't feel they serve the greater good of the citizenry.



Would it be so hard to add one more poll option for those who view themselves as something 'other' than left or right?
 
You never have to worry about a concrete lean as long as you make sure that you have properly stabilized the base you're pouring on!!

Anyway, I agree about the poll. The subject is really too broad for a simple answer.

1. The legal process went down pretty much the way it should have considering all the outside political baggage attached to it.
2. Wilson isn't going to be cited criminally but he's damned sure not coming through this whole thing uninjured. There's no "justice" in that.
3. The good folks of Ferguson are pretty much getting screwed as their property values tank and they can no longer tell folks where they're from without the stigma of all this crap being an issue so there's no "justice" there.
4. The bad folks of Ferguson are most likely going to get a walk on all this so there's no "justice" there.

Maybe somebody got some "justice" out of all this but they'd probably have to fill me in on what their definition of the word is because I'm just not seeing a winner here.



Well-said, Luther.
 
We have various facts of the case (forensic evidence, testimony) and we have a finding by the jury. What do you think?

and without having witnessed the event, we can't know for certain whether or not justice was served.
 
Justice cannot and will not exist in this case. You can partly blame the media, the politics of the matter, the spectacle some in Ferguson have made of themselves, the threats all the way around, the losses all the way around, etc... but the last thing that can ever be associated with this case in any regard is the word justice.
 
We have various facts of the case (forensic evidence, testimony) and we have a finding by the jury. What do you think?

I think I do not know what was said between the two parties. I think the cop's testimony is self-serving--that is just human nature. I do not know what was said between them when the encounter began. I think lots of things, some favorable to each side and some detrimental to each side.
 
I lean neither right nor left, and I vote yes.
 
For one thing, I don't like the "left/right" view of politics as it is too simplistic. The 2d spectrum is a little better as it covers more ground but it is still a flawed representation of a more complex reality.

But if we MUST use left and right, yes I lean right on certain issues... and a little left on others, and sort of libertarian on some things, and sort of "none of the above" on others.

But mostly I'm a centrist because I don't usually support extreme views or policies as I don't feel they serve the greater good of the citizenry.



Would it be so hard to add one more poll option for those who view themselves as something 'other' than left or right?

I respect you being a centrist, though i'd suspect that you still have some lean even if its not extreme as you say. But if I put "other" into the poll its not useful info for me-and if I ask for clarification everyone says something along the likes of "it depends" so Im not left with any useful info in my interpretation of the data, and what Im really looking for (for me) are the differences. Most people probably are centrists but since they still have a lean I word my polls like this.
 
Justice cannot and will not exist in this case. You can partly blame the media, the politics of the matter, the spectacle some in Ferguson have made of themselves, the threats all the way around, the losses all the way around, etc... but the last thing that can ever be associated with this case in any regard is the word justice.
This is pathetic nonsense.

Justice was served.

Now it is time to put down the rabid dogs who burned and rioted. I think we should begin with the left-media who fanned the flames. We need to add in the race-baiters. And then we need to go after the rioters and the ones who set fire to buildings. When the last one is fined and jailed with those who lost their property restored by a hefty tax on liberals, progressives, national socialists, international socialists, the attorney general, and the Father of Lies, then, and only then will justice be served a second time.
 
I have lots of opinions that are fermenting. If you think justice was served, for whom and at whose expense?
The town of Furgeson got justice in its grand jury decision.

The ones who lost property to looters must now have their justice.


I propose we tax every self-proclaimed Progressive, liberal, ...authoritarian statist, including the Father of Lies and the attorney general until everyone has their property rebuilt.
 
The town of Furgeson got justice in its grand jury decision.

The ones who lost property to looters must now have their justice.


I propose we tax every self-proclaimed Progressive, liberal, ...authoritarian statist, including the Father of Lies and the attorney general until everyone has their property rebuilt.

propose anything you want--it is as meaningless as your broad rhetoric. A city exists of a lot of people and certainly not everyone landed in the "We got justice" camp.
 
This is pathetic nonsense.

Justice was served.

Now it is time to put down the rabid dogs who burned and rioted. I think we should begin with the left-media who fanned the flames. We need to add in the race-baiters. And then we need to go after the rioters and the ones who set fire to buildings. When the last one is fined and jailed with those who lost their property restored by a hefty tax on liberals, progressives, national socialists, international socialists, the attorney general, and the Father of Lies, then, and only then will justice be served a second time.

When you are ready to think things through let me know, until then run around in rhetoric without any real sense of reality.

But before we even get into why, you'll need to get past the "put down the rabid dogs" bit and quit overplaying your prejudice hand.
 
Can't vote, none of the options represent me.

OP, how hard is it to just say "Yes" or "No" ?
 
"Justice was served.

Now it is time to put down the rabid dogs who burned and rioted. I think we should begin with the left-media who fanned the flames. We need to add in the race-baiters. And then we need to go after the rioters and the ones who set fire to buildings. When the last one is fined and jailed with those who lost their property restored by a hefty tax on liberals, progressives, national socialists, international socialists, the attorney general, and the Father of Lies, then, and only then will justice be served a second time."
When you are ready to think things through let me know, until then run around in rhetoric without any real sense of reality.
What did you object to?

The left-media fanned the flames prior to the riots and burnings.

The race-baiters fanned the flames prior to the riots and burnings.

The rioters looted and destroyed other people's property. They need to be run down, arrested, tried, fined and put into prisons. Those who burned down buildings need to be run down, arrested, tried, fined and put into prisons.

The people who had their property destroyed by left-wing, democratic, Obama supporters (or do you think most of them voted for Romney?) should be made whole by a hefty tax on all leftists.

But before we even get into why, you'll need to get past the "put down the rabid dogs" bit and quit overplaying your prejudice hand.
Am I prejudiced against rabid dogs? I suppose I am. It is time to put them down.

You need to get past yourself.
 
"The town of Furgeson got justice in its grand jury decision.

The ones who lost property to looters must now have their justice.

I propose we tax every self-proclaimed Progressive, liberal, ...authoritarian statist, including the Father of Lies and the attorney general until everyone has their property rebuilt."
propose anything you want--it is as meaningless as your broad rhetoric. A city exists of a lot of people and certainly not everyone landed in the "We got justice" camp.
Do you think I care if the mob does not think it got justice? Do you think I care if you don't think justice was served by a just application of the law? Justice does not rest upon the whims of left-mobs.
 
In Ferguson the grand jury cleared officer Wilson for defending his life after being assaulted in the line of duty. "Protestors" still rioted destroying minority businesses.

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Was justice served in Ferguson with Wilson being cleared?


No, only because in a situation like this there is no justice. Someone died who may not have deserved it, but it's impossible to prove.

Because we'll never know the whole truth, justice cannot truly be served.
 
No, only because in a situation like this there is no justice. Someone died who may not have deserved it, but it's impossible to prove.

Because we'll never know the whole truth, justice cannot truly be served.
This is drivel.

Justice does not require the whole truth. What counts is a thug robbed a store, then attacked a police officer. He died because of his actions. A grand jury of citizens "heard" the evidence and made the right call.

Now we need justice for those who had their property destroyed by the left-mob rabid dogs who looted, who burned buildings or encouraged their actions.
 
A finding of probable cause is a very low standard of proof. It doesn't take very much evidence to find that there is "probably" cause to believe a crime might have been committed. There were not 9 racist jurors on that panel. And if a jury of 12 couldn't even get to "he probably did it," then how would a trial jury ever get to "he almost definately did it" which is required to satisfy the reasonable doubt burden.

A GJ almost never gets ALL the evidence. They had everything the prosecutor could provide, and there is no opportunity for a defense to refute any of it. There was clearly just no case here.
 
Remember that I live in rural New Zealand when you read this... what happened?

I read Wilson was not charged by the Grand Jury... was there rioting after because I can't tell if what I am reading is from before.
 
No. Lawless rioters causing shame and embarrassment to every decent black American need to be arrested and prosecuted.
 
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