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    When is violent protest justified?

    Note : While I understand that everyone will respond to this thread through the lens of their experiences, I ask that everyone do their best to put aside any emotions, prejudices or non-intellectual motives that may color how they present their ideas when responding to the thread question and to other posters.

    In light of the violent protests in Ferguson as well as the calls for peaceful protests by some Americans, I believe that the question of when violent protest is justified has become a very important one to consider, if not fully answer. Given this importance, I pose the question to the members of DP : When is violent protest justified?

    Before you answer the question, I think it's fair for me to do that myself, though I should note that my position on this topic is still developing. In short, I believe that violent protest is justified when two conditions are met : 1. When the human or civil rights of the protesters have been threatened. 2. When all or most nonviolent means of protest have failed to secure the human or civil rights that have been threatened.

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    Re: When is violent protest justified?

    Imo, it isn't. If you're going to resort to violence, it had better be because you are willing to go to war, and sever your ties.
    There is no "right" to commit violence and destruction against others in society.
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    Re: When is violent protest justified?

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    Note : While I understand that everyone will respond to this thread through the lens of their experiences, I ask that everyone do their best to put aside any emotions, prejudices or non-intellectual motives that may color how they present their ideas when responding to the thread question and to other posters.

    In light of the violent protests in Ferguson as well as the calls for peaceful protests by some Americans, I believe that the question of when violent protest is justified has become a very important one to consider, if not fully answer. Given this importance, I pose the question to the members of DP : When is violent protest justified?

    Before you answer the question, I think it's fair for me to do that myself, though I should note that my position on this topic is still developing. In short, I believe that violent protest is justified when two conditions are met : 1. When the human or civil rights of the protesters have been threatened. 2. When all or most nonviolent means of protest have failed to secure the human or civil rights that have been threatened.
    I tend to agree.

    But who determines that the violence is appropriate and which force may the government bring to bear on the protesters?

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    Re: When is violent protest justified?

    In a society of laws with mechanisms to change said laws violent protest is never justified.
    Don't be a grammar nazi - Marcus Aurelius, Meditations, Book 1 #7

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    Re: When is violent protest justified?

    I said other because if the tables are turned what would be said? Suppose that a store owner "violently protests" being looted/burned out by shooting the looters/arsonists - would that be acceptable? Is that store owner not allowed the basic human right of earning a living and having their personal property (and safety) respected? When the police decide to "stand down", in order to appease the race hustling, poverty pimps, then they are simply begging the otherwise law abiding folks to take matters into their own hands.
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    Re: When is violent protest justified?

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    Imo, it isn't. If you're going to resort to violence, it had better be because you are willing to go to war, and sever your ties.
    There is no "right" to commit violence and destruction against others in society.
    Yes there is - basic self defense is a right. Your right to freely swing your arm ends where my nose begins.
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    Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man.” ― George Bernard Shaw, Man and Superman

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    Re: When is violent protest justified?

    Depends on what you mean as violence. Some hold that property destruction is not violence (I do not hold this view, just sayin). But I say under certain conditions it can be, especially when the police strike you first, or are using overwhelming force such as live round shooting people. But other than that, I think for the most part protestors should stay peaceful, or as peaceful as the conditions call for.


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    Re: When is violent protest justified?

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    Imo, it isn't. If you're going to resort to violence, it had better be because you are willing to go to war, and sever your ties.
    There is no "right" to commit violence and destruction against others in society.
    It depends on what you mean by 'right'. But there is no doubt that it is quite proper to take up arms against an oppressor., whether he be foreign or domestic. It is in an other context not only admissible but arguably even a duty to take up arms, where a leader is committing atrocities.

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    Re: When is violent protest justified?

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Yes there is - basic self defense is a right. Your right to freely swing your arm ends where my nose begins.
    Self defense isn't violent protest against society. It is defense of self against an individual or group who is trying to harm you.
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    Re: When is violent protest justified?

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    I tend to agree.

    But who determines that the violence is appropriate and which force may the government bring to bear on the protesters?
    I tentatively suggest that every person and institution is entitled to their own idea of whether violence is appropriate and that, the value of their violence should be measured according to whether or not it helped them reach their goal. In other words, I wonder if the question to ask is "Who won?" rather than "Who should and should not have used force?"

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