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    Re: When is violent protest justified?

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    I think I buy you two examples, they are good examples. But I am not sure if they are right or wrong. For me I think when violent protests are justified is like defining porn, you know it when you see it. Defining when a violent protest is justified is like knowing porn, you will know when and for what reason when you see it or felt it.

    I will add this, the violent protest should be against those whom you have the grievance. Instead of burning and looting ones own businesses and homes, if it is the police burn their stations, not yours. If it is against a government, burn and loot government offices, not yours. This turning down your own places makes no sense. At least to me.
    I think the distinction you make in your latter point is important. Not only is it ethically important to make sure that you only target the people/institutions who have done the harm, it's also important to make that distinction in terms of clarifying your message. In other words, if protesters target business owners in a protest against police, doing so makes their message more confusing whereas only targeting police car/buildings makes the message extremely clear.

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    Re: When is violent protest justified?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Using your example, the problem is that in the modern world, I do not think the violent protests would improve the lot of the short elves. If anything, I think the backlash would hurt their own cause.
    What about the modern world makes you think this?

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    Re: When is violent protest justified?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Do you mean violence as in rioting,looting and destroying privately owned property as in the case with the Ferguson protesters rioters? The **** no that is never ever justified. If you mean attacking government forces as an attempt to overthrow the government then sure that can be justified but I do not see it as a protest turning violent, I see that as a revolt.
    By violence, I meant any sort of physical force on the part of protestors. In any case, I agree with your distinction between attacking government vs. attacking private property.

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    Re: When is violent protest justified?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Typically that it tends to include and promote the looting and destruction of private business and community.
    What if private businesses and communities are complicit in or actively supportive of attacks against human rights?

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    Re: When is violent protest justified?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaius46 View Post
    In a society of laws with mechanisms to change said laws violent protest is never justified.
    What if the laws that are being passed start oppressing the people and are not changed? What do the people do?
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    Re: When is violent protest justified?

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    What if private businesses and communities are complicit in or actively supportive of attacks against human rights?
    Still not enough considering the mobility available to you.

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    Re: When is violent protest justified?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    What if the laws that are being passed start oppressing the people and are not changed? What do the people do?
    Change your representation and/or move to a locale that suits your ideals.

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    Re: When is violent protest justified?

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    I think the distinction you make in your latter point is important. Not only is it ethically important to make sure that you only target the people/institutions who have done the harm, it's also important to make that distinction in terms of clarifying your message. In other words, if protesters target business owners in a protest against police, doing so makes their message more confusing whereas only targeting police car/buildings makes the message extremely clear.
    Exactly. How does burning and looting your own businesses and homes show that the protest is against the police? It makes it seem this violence was conducted to enrich the looters instead of protesting against the police. How else is one to take it? Brown was just an excuse to rob, steal and burn.
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    Re: When is violent protest justified?

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    What about the modern world makes you think this?
    When has violent protest worked better than other solutions in the last, say, 50 years.

    Let's use a real world example, one I have some knowledge of, if somewhat secondhand, gay rights. I have a couple times on this board listed the things my mother went through when she came out, all legal at the time. There was no protection for gays from losing their jobs, their housing, and so on. All that has changed. Do you think violent protest would have accelerated that change, or would it have slowed it down as people coalesced in opposition to the violent tactics used by gay people in the hypothetical? I rather suspect the later.
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    Re: When is violent protest justified?

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Still not enough considering the mobility available to you.
    Good point. What if, however, the business has significant state or even federal influence that you can't get away from by moving?

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