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    Re: When is violent protest justified?

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    Note : While I understand that everyone will respond to this thread through the lens of their experiences, I ask that everyone do their best to put aside any emotions, prejudices or non-intellectual motives that may color how they present their ideas when responding to the thread question and to other posters.

    In light of the violent protests in Ferguson as well as the calls for peaceful protests by some Americans, I believe that the question of when violent protest is justified has become a very important one to consider, if not fully answer. Given this importance, I pose the question to the members of DP : When is violent protest justified?

    Before you answer the question, I think it's fair for me to do that myself, though I should note that my position on this topic is still developing. In short, I believe that violent protest is justified when two conditions are met : 1. When the human or civil rights of the protesters have been threatened. 2. When all or most nonviolent means of protest have failed to secure the human or civil rights that have been threatened.
    I cannot come up with any examples of actual justified violent protests. Not only are the people who are usually hurt in violent protesters usually innocent themselves, but it takes away from the message that those very protesters are trying to get out, which makes it somewhat self-defeating.
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    Re: When is violent protest justified?

    Violent protest against the State is justified in specific circumstances, such as if the State is becoming tyrannical. Violent protest against innocent bystanders is never, ever justified. What is happening in Ferguson is the very definition of terrorism. People targeting civilians in an attempt to get the State to give in to their demands.
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    Re: When is violent protest justified?

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    Your conditions for the justification of violent protest are rooted in the presence of imminent threats (e.g. live rounds). Do you think violent protest (including the destruction of property) is ever justified even when an imminent threat is not present? For instance, I believe that even if the police are completely passive, violent protest can be justified if nonviolent protest has not been successful. Would you agree or do you have another perspective on that?
    Depends on the situation. Depends on what they are protesting.


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    Re: When is violent protest justified?

    Quote Originally Posted by PirateMk1 View Post
    If violence is called for I aint gona be in the street with protesters. There is a time for violence. That time is when you or yours lives are threatened in such manner that it is tantamount to enslavement or death, and the covenant under which we live has been substantially altered to the detriment of my family and myself. That's war time. Violent protest sure, if you call it a protest. When your backs are put against the wall there is only one course of action, as Sun Tzu said, when in death ground, fight.
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    Re: When is violent protest justified?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    I cannot come up with any examples of actual justified violent protests. Not only are the people who are usually hurt in violent protesters usually innocent themselves, but it takes away from the message that those very protesters are trying to get out, which makes it somewhat self-defeating.
    In a situation where the message protesters want to send is not acknowledged when they send it peacefully, what would be the next step for protesters, in your opinion?

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    Re: When is violent protest justified?

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    Fair question. I think my answer to your points are located in part 2 of my argument in the OP : "When all or most nonviolent means of protest have failed to secure the human or civil rights that have been threatened." In the case of the store owner, he may call the police or his insurance company to get justice or money to pay for the damage. He may even get money from the public to put his store back together. And, if those do not work - if he has no constructive means of defending his livilhood - then violence may be justified.

    I asked that this sort of anti-intellectual rhetoric not be brought into this thread. Please honor that. Thanks.
    Rest assured that neither the police nor the insurance company are able to provide justice. Can you provide us examples of an owner being repaid by society for injuries, or loss of their home, business or property, due to criminal acts? Money cannot replace everything even with the best of insurance settlements. What did society provide to D. Wilson beaten by, or the shop owner robbed by, M. Brown?
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    Re: When is violent protest justified?

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    Note : While I understand that everyone will respond to this thread through the lens of their experiences, I ask that everyone do their best to put aside any emotions, prejudices or non-intellectual motives that may color how they present their ideas when responding to the thread question and to other posters.

    In light of the violent protests in Ferguson as well as the calls for peaceful protests by some Americans, I believe that the question of when violent protest is justified has become a very important one to consider, if not fully answer. Given this importance, I pose the question to the members of DP : When is violent protest justified?

    Before you answer the question, I think it's fair for me to do that myself, though I should note that my position on this topic is still developing. In short, I believe that violent protest is justified when two conditions are met : 1. When the human or civil rights of the protesters have been threatened. 2. When all or most nonviolent means of protest have failed to secure the human or civil rights that have been threatened.
    I believe Ferguson is justified, not by the Michael Brown death, but by the piss poor Media policies of the Ferguson Police in responding to the problem. First, they failed to immediately release relevant police reports that would have prevented an information vacuum that became filled with distorted, loud, frequent misinformation by agendas that had jumped to conclusions. Second, during the original violence many Reporters were arrested/abused/detained unlawfully and when you mess with the press, you get bad press. Third, the Police presented a militaristic response to a social problem that required persistent negotiation and was an opportunity to explain what actually happened and a complete failure to communicate resulted. Fourth, the Ferguson community must acknowledge that a black community needs black police officers that live in that community. For me personally, only the abuse of Reporters justifies the violence.

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    Re: When is violent protest justified?

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    In a situation where the message protesters want to send is not acknowledged when they send it peacefully, what would be the next step for protesters, in your opinion?
    Is violence going to get their message out, or just get them condemned as violent? What are we talking about in Ferguson, the outcome of the grand jury, or the rioting?
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    Re: When is violent protest justified?

    Violence has no place in protests.

    Violence should be reserved for revolution.

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    Re: When is violent protest justified?

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    Note : While I understand that everyone will respond to this thread through the lens of their experiences, I ask that everyone do their best to put aside any emotions, prejudices or non-intellectual motives that may color how they present their ideas when responding to the thread question and to other posters.

    In light of the violent protests in Ferguson as well as the calls for peaceful protests by some Americans, I believe that the question of when violent protest is justified has become a very important one to consider, if not fully answer. Given this importance, I pose the question to the members of DP : When is violent protest justified?

    Before you answer the question, I think it's fair for me to do that myself, though I should note that my position on this topic is still developing. In short, I believe that violent protest is justified when two conditions are met : 1. When the human or civil rights of the protesters have been threatened. 2. When all or most nonviolent means of protest have failed to secure the human or civil rights that have been threatened.
    When the government has acted too long against the rights and liberties of the People. The right to revolution was acknowledged and reserved in our Revolution. But things have to pretty much hit rock bottom. But even then, the sort of rioting and looting common to our modern bouts of anarchy are not proper; even in violent revolt.
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