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    When is violent protest justified?

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    I didn't ask you about my civil rights, I asked you about your civil or human rights. This means that civil or human rights that you have already accepted as being threatened. I'll ask the question again and I would appreciate it you would answer it directly : If your human or civil rights are being attacked and your legal means haven't yielded results for ~20 years, what do you do next?
    I understood what you meant. You (in the scenario) are driven to the conclusion that there is no other alternative but violence. I insisted on flipping it on you, so that we do not forget this part of the variable.

    I am of the disposition to not like protesters to begin with. I find protesting beneathe civilized behavior. I do not see myself, ever, under any circumstances, resorting to violent protest. I would have to traverse so many barriers in my character to begin with.

    To me the onus is on the attacker to convince the hegemony that their actions are justifiable. More often than not, they are *not* justifiable.
    Last edited by Fiddytree; 11-26-14 at 07:12 PM.
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    Re: When is violent protest justified?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    I am of the disposition to not like protesters to begin with. I find protesting beneathe civilized behavior. I do not see myself, ever, under any circumstances, resorting to violent protest. I would have to traverse so many barriers in my character to begin with. .
    What could push you to traverse those barriers?

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    Re: When is violent protest justified?

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    What could push you to traverse those barriers?
    Extreme situations like those found in the Nazi ghettos, and so on.
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    Re: When is violent protest justified?

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    Note : While I understand that everyone will respond to this thread through the lens of their experiences, I ask that everyone do their best to put aside any emotions, prejudices or non-intellectual motives that may color how they present their ideas when responding to the thread question and to other posters.

    In light of the violent protests in Ferguson as well as the calls for peaceful protests by some Americans, I believe that the question of when violent protest is justified has become a very important one to consider, if not fully answer. Given this importance, I pose the question to the members of DP : When is violent protest justified?

    Before you answer the question, I think it's fair for me to do that myself, though I should note that my position on this topic is still developing. In short, I believe that violent protest is justified when two conditions are met : 1. When the human or civil rights of the protesters have been threatened. 2. When all or most nonviolent means of protest have failed to secure the human or civil rights that have been threatened.
    Violence will not help.

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    Re: When is violent protest justified?

    Quote Originally Posted by faithful_servant View Post
    First of all, what is happening in Ferguson is not violent protest, it's theft, vandalism and arson. there is no protest, just a bunch of thugs using this situation as an excuse to run wild.
    It is a riot, which is actually has more profound motivations than theft/vandalism/arson. A riot, according to Martin Luther King, is the language of the unheard. I think it is safe to say, in the case of Ferguson, that there are people that are lashing out because they feel "unheard".

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    To dismiss this as just a bunch of thugs is to dismiss the social ills that are gnawing at a significant segment of population. ...that is not to condone the riot, its only to explain why they occur. King when on to say that you can not condemn the rioters without condemning the very issue that gave rise to the riot.

    To be clear, I am not trying to justify the riot; only explain it. But, I do agree that if you dismiss the root cause of it (by failing to consider it) you are perpetuating the problem.
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    Re: When is violent protest justified?

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    Violence will not help.
    In what situation?

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    Re: When is violent protest justified?

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    In what situation?
    In both of these situations.
    1. When the human or civil rights of the protesters have been threatened. 2. When all or most nonviolent means of protest have failed to secure the human or civil rights that have been threatened.
    It will just bring about more violence.

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    Re: When is violent protest justified?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    Extreme situations like those found in the Nazi ghettos, and so on.
    I tend to agree with your position. Only in the most of extreme situations would it be justified, but I could not come up with an example. This, however, would qualify.
    If you claim sexual harassment to be wrong, yet you defend anyone on your side for any reason,
    then you are a hypocrite and everything you say on the matter is just babble.

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    Re: When is violent protest justified?

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    In both of these situations.

    It will just bring about more violence.
    I can't say that I agree because it's for me to think of a single significant injustice that was ended without the aid of violent protest.

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    Re: When is violent protest justified?

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    In both of these situations.


    It will just bring about more violence.
    While creating enmity rather than consensus, turning those who might be persuaded to your point of view away.

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