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    Re: When is violent protest justified?

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    Do you consider self-defense to only mean defense against an imminent threat (e.g. police officers shooting at you unprovoked) or does your definition of self-defense also include defending oneself against systemic threats (e.g. systemic abuse of police force)?
    no, the definition does not include systemic threats

    system threats call for a different class of response, such as nonviolent protest, civil disobedience, voting.. etc.. a violent response to a systemic threat would be unjustified.

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    Re: When is violent protest justified?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    So there should be a trial everytime a police officer shoots someone? Whether there is any evidence of wrongdoing or not?
    If that is what it takes to protect kids on the streets and shopkeepers in their shops and the business areas free of riots? Why, it seems a cheap price to me. It might not be enough. Maybe a little higher proportion of minority areas' police forces should be of that minority. Maybe we will need to find a way to get more of these kids into jobs. Maybe some of the things we need to do are difficult. But it is not a good solution to have citizens shot on the streets.

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    Re: When is violent protest justified?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaius46 View Post
    In a society of laws with mechanisms to change said laws violent protest is never justified.
    I don't know, one could call The Boston Tea Party (the original) a violent protest. Property was most certainly destroyed.

    Does that mean that the American Revolution was not justified?


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    Re: When is violent protest justified?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaius46 View Post
    And so how does burning down stores achieve your end?
    I do not believe that I said that. I am sure the Syrians wish that it had taken another course there and I think the Ukrainians might think so too. On the other hand, the US did rather well, when it used force to get rid of what the citizens considered illigitimate rule.
    That does not mean that force as in these riots is legal. But the revolution was not legal, when it happened either. The problem is they never are considered so. That means the participants are always in the same position of not knowing with certainty and being forced to take the decision right or wrong my county. Both sides are in this position.

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    Re: When is violent protest justified?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    Keep using your legal means. Just because I am not satisfied with the way my causes have progressed, doesn't mean I should get to break the law to get my way.

    In short: suck it up, butttercup.
    If your human or civil rights are being attacked and your legal means haven't yielded results for ~20 years, what do you do next?

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    Re: When is violent protest justified?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    no, the definition does not include systemic threats

    system threats call for a different class of response, such as nonviolent protest, civil disobedience, voting.. etc.. a violent response to a systemic threat would be unjustified.
    Okay, thanks for clarifying. With that in mind, what would be your next response if all nonviolent means failed to remove or decrease the systemic threat for ~ 20 years?

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    Re: When is violent protest justified?

    Quote Originally Posted by Amandi View Post
    Violent protest is pointless in my opinion. If I sympathise with your point of view and you use violent protest you will loose some of that sympathy. Protest I support. Civil disobedience as in sit ins of places that are directly involved with what you are protesting I can "support" but not violence.
    If citizens exhaust nonviolent means of protest and it becomes clear that those in power will not change their behavior, what would be the next step?

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    Re: When is violent protest justified?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    certain conditions that are only met under very special conditions which are never met in a democratic society rules by fair laws and civil rights like in the US and in just about every civilized democratic country in the western world.
    What are those conditions?

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    Re: When is violent protest justified?

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    When is violent protest justified?
    It's called "insurrection" and you should only try it when death is literally better than living within the system.

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    Re: When is violent protest justified?

    When they cancel your favorite TV series OR video game series, then...RIOT.

    Or when the local convenience store is out of low salt potato chips.

    Or when they make a Penguins of Madagascar movie and do not include the actors who voiced Private, Rico and Kowalski in the TV series, in the movie.

    Or when the Iowa Hawkeyes barely lose to Wisconsin.

    Or when I cannot find a justifiable reason to buy a Dodge Challenger Hellcat.

    Or when you show up at a friend's anniversary (or birthday party?) and your ex-girlfriend with the breast implants looks better then ever.

    ...

    Hey, wait a minute...I never did grow up (they were right way back when).

    Cool.
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