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    Re: When is violent protest justified?

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    Change your representation and/or move to a locale that suits your ideals.
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    Re: When is violent protest justified?

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    What if you want to go to war and not sever your ties, but change how business is done?
    Then you go through legal channels. (Did you mean NOT go to war?)
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    Re: When is violent protest justified?

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    What, other than a case being ruled "self defense", was being protested? Vandalism, looting and burning is not a protest - those are criminal acts. Being mad at a "system" does not excuse, in any way, destruction of property of those simply living under that "system" or violence against ordinary people that happen to be employed by that "system".

    Calling looters protestors is silly; there were both looters and protestors presented on TV last night but there was no overlap in those groups.
    We agree on that, but it wasn't the point I was making.
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    Re: When is violent protest justified?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    When has violent protest worked better than other solutions in the last, say, 50 years.
    In 1992, when the police officers who beat Rodney King were acquitted, there were violent protests/riots. Soon after, the same officers were indicted on federal charges. Historically, violence by the public has escalated, if not caused, action by the government because it creates a threatening situation that the government acts to resolve.

    Let's use a real world example, one I have some knowledge of, if somewhat secondhand, gay rights. I have a couple times on this board listed the things my mother went through when she came out, all legal at the time. There was no protection for gays from losing their jobs, their housing, and so on. All that has changed. Do you think violent protest would have accelerated that change, or would it have slowed it down as people coalesced in opposition to the violent tactics used by gay people in the hypothetical? I rather suspect the later.
    If the violence was executed in a manner that it could be excused by enough of the population and in a way that created tension to the point that the government felt it had to act, then the violence would have helped. If the violence was not executed in such a manner, then it would have hurt. My issue is that I don't see how the modern world, specifically, reduces the effectiveness of violent protest. I agree that certain conditions must be present in order for violence to be effective, but I don't think that modernity has made violence any less effective than it already was.

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    Re: When is violent protest justified?

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    Then you go through legal channels. (Did you mean NOT go to war?)
    No, I meant "go to war" aka revolution or civil war. In terms of legal channels, if the legal channels do not work for a sustained period of time, what should protests do next?

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    Re: When is violent protest justified?

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    No, I meant "go to war" aka revolution or civil war. In terms of legal channels, if the legal channels do not work for a sustained period of time, what should protests do next?
    You don't literally go to war, with the purpose of not severing ties, or with the intent of patching things up. War is the most serious human endeavor there is.
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    Re: When is violent protest justified?

    You don't have the right to riot.

    As for the question, in this nation, basically never. Any actual situation where it would be necessary is just too unlikely to bother with. Rioting gets nothing done, it never has in this country. It's the massive, peaceful marches and demonstrations that have made a difference.

    At the end of the day, it's just coming out of YOUR taxes and destroying YOUR community -- wholly counterproductive.

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Depends on what you mean as violence. Some hold that property destruction is not violence (I do not hold this view, just sayin). But I say under certain conditions it can be, especially when the police strike you first, or are using overwhelming force such as live round shooting people. But other than that, I think for the most part protestors should stay peaceful, or as peaceful as the conditions call for.
    At that point, it's just use of force in self defense.
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    Re: When is violent protest justified?

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    I said other because if the tables are turned what would be said? Suppose that a store owner "violently protests" being looted/burned out by shooting the looters/arsonists - would that be acceptable? Is that store owner not allowed the basic human right of earning a living and having their personal property (and safety) respected? When the police decide to "stand down", in order to appease the race hustling, poverty pimps, then they are simply begging the otherwise law abiding folks to take matters into their own hands.

    store keepers should be able to shoot violent looters.



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    Re: When is violent protest justified?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    store keepers should be able to shoot violent looters.
    How does one determine the violent looters form the ordinary looters?

    I say shoot all looters and sort that out later.
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    Re: When is violent protest justified?

    The points in which I would believe violence would be legitimately used is the points in which I would no longer consider it a "protest" but rather a revolutionary endevour.

    If you are still attempting to function within, and maintain the base institution of society and the government then I can't see any legitimate reason to interject violence into a protest.

    If you are attempting to overthrow and replace the base institution of society/government, then I no longer see the action being a mere "protest". There are instances where I would potentially view violence in such an action as justified, but it would be rather narrow in scope and would be a relative last resort type of action.

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