View Poll Results: Welfare state vs the night-watchmen state-which do you support?

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  • Im a right leaning American, Welfare state.

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  • Im a left leaning American, Welfare state.

    17 45.95%
  • Im not American, Welfare state.

    4 10.81%
  • Im a right leaning American, Night-watchmen state.

    16 43.24%
  • Im a left leaning American, Night-watchmen state.

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  • Im not American, Night-watchmen state.

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Thread: Welfare state vs the night-watchmen state-which do you support?

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    Welfare state vs the night-watchmen state-which do you support?

    A welfare state is a concept of government in which the state plays a key role in the protection and promotion of the economic and social well-being of its citizens. It is based on the principles of equality of opportunity, equitable distribution of wealth, and public responsibility for those unable to avail themselves of the minimal provisions for a good life. The general term may cover a variety of forms of economic and social organization.[1] The sociologist T.H. Marshall identified the welfare state as a distinctive combination of democracy, welfare, and capitalism. Welfare state - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    A night-watchman state, or a minimal state, is variously defined by sources. In the strictest sense, it is a form of government in political philosophy where the state's only legitimate function is the protection of individuals from assault, theft, breach of contract, and fraud, and the only legitimate governmental institutions are the military, police, and courts. In the broadest sense, it also includes various civil service and emergency-rescue departments (such as the fire departments), prisons, the executive, the judiciary, and the legislatures as legitimate government functions.[1][2][3]
    Advocacy of a night-watchman state is known as minarchism.
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    Welfare state vs the night-watchmen state-which do you support?

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    Re: Welfare state vs the night-watchmen state-which do you support?

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
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    Welfare state vs the night-watchmen state-which do you support?
    Night watchman. The state depends upon the initiation of violence for everything it does. Thus, in my opinion, the less it does, the better.

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    Re: Welfare state vs the night-watchmen state-which do you support?

    Night-watchmen state. The govt's role is to provide a minimalist role in protecting its citizens, not forcibly coercing everyone for the political power of the few.

    Eventually, the welfare state leads here...

    Not even eating the rich can prevent this.

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    Re: Welfare state vs the night-watchmen state-which do you support?

    Night watchmen. That was easy.
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    Re: Welfare state vs the night-watchmen state-which do you support?

    Somewhere in the middle.
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    Re: Welfare state vs the night-watchmen state-which do you support?

    If holds that it's not right for one person to violate the person or property of his neighbor, then one cannot support anything more than a night watchman state. Everything the state does beyond acting as a night watchman is just more violation of the person or property of the citizen.

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    Re: Welfare state vs the night-watchmen state-which do you support?

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
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    Welfare state vs the night-watchmen state-which do you support?
    Problem is, while the 'welfare state' is a reality and it has resulted in the highest standard of living on the planet, there is precisely no example - whether now or at any time in history - of a 'night watchmen state' bringing a high standard of living to the population.

    In other words, one's a reality and the other's a fantasy.

    Thing is, with the 'night watchmen state', it would work just fine...IF everyone thought the same way, had the same levels of ability, had the same degree of opportunity. But this is humanity we're talking about - and while the welfare state is designed to handle the whole range of differences in the human experience, the 'night watchmen state' is not.
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    Re: Welfare state vs the night-watchmen state-which do you support?

    WTF, it's been 20 minutes and no votes for a Welfare state yet. THINK OF THE CHILDREN!
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    Re: Welfare state vs the night-watchmen state-which do you support?

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    Problem is, while the 'welfare state' is a reality and it has resulted in the highest standard of living on the planet, there is precisely no example - whether now or at any time in history - of a 'night watchmen state' bringing a high standard of living to the population.

    In other words, one's a reality and the other's a fantasy.

    Thing is, with the 'night watchmen state', it would work just fine...IF everyone thought the same way, had the same levels of ability, had the same degree of opportunity. But this is humanity we're talking about - and while the welfare state is designed to handle the whole range of differences in the human experience, the 'night watchmen state' is not.
    I agree that there aren't real world examples of minarchism on a national scale, but the question remains. BTW, did you vote and if so how?

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    Re: Welfare state vs the night-watchmen state-which do you support?

    Quote Originally Posted by molten_dragon View Post
    Somewhere in the middle.
    The "middle" means to me welfare state. How did you vote?

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