View Poll Results: Welfare state vs the night-watchmen state-which do you support?

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  • Im a right leaning American, Welfare state.

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  • Im a left leaning American, Welfare state.

    17 45.95%
  • Im not American, Welfare state.

    4 10.81%
  • Im a right leaning American, Night-watchmen state.

    16 43.24%
  • Im a left leaning American, Night-watchmen state.

    0 0%
  • Im not American, Night-watchmen state.

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    Re: Welfare state vs the night-watchmen state-which do you support?

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Capitalism is more accurately an economic system. China has some capitalist traits.
    "It is like saying..." it was a comparison, not a statement confusing systems of government and systems of economy.
    "Every time something really bad happens, people cry out for safety, and the government answers by taking rights away from good people." - Penn Jillette.

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    Re: Welfare state vs the night-watchmen state-which do you support?

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    Are you trying to steer the discussion towards immigration?
    No. I dont know how I can spell this out any more clear. Taxation is a transfer of wealth to the govt for legitimate purposes, not to enable another citizens poor choices.

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    Re: Welfare state vs the night-watchmen state-which do you support?

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    And those prosperous people you resent so much for being prosperous are the ones paying for the flawless and sainted government. Still, I gotta say, having such complete faith in the government must be a much easier way to go through life.
    Of course its easier. People want to be taken care of. The problem with freedom is it requires responsibility and its not guaranteed (though as we see in europe, neither are govt handouts).

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    Re: Welfare state vs the night-watchmen state-which do you support?

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    You really gotta watch those assumptions - I don't resent the prosperous, because I am prosperous myself.

    But I'm still waiting - as I have for years - for the small-government crowd to show me ANY first-world nation that has the conservative trifecta of small government, low effective taxes, and little or no regulation. After all, if the almighty market forces are as strong as we all know they are, then NONE of the big-government welfare states would be first-world nations...

    ...but instead, ALL of the first-world nations are big-government welfare states.

    Why is that?

    And if you can't answer, don't let that worry you...because no other small-government conservative has ever been able to answer that, either.
    I know several prosperous lefties who hate themselves.
    They also dont like the rich. Its that modern guilt thing and its really more a lefty thing.

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    Re: Welfare state vs the night-watchmen state-which do you support?

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    No. I dont know how I can spell this out any more clear. Taxation is a transfer of wealth to the govt for legitimate purposes, not to enable another citizens poor choices.
    One deals with funding operations dealing with carrying out law like police and courts, while the other deals with using funding to help people meet their needs.

    If the argument for taxation is that the state needs the funds so they can deal with criminals and the sort then there is no way you can fit the welfare state into the scope of the argument.

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    Re: Welfare state vs the night-watchmen state-which do you support?

    Quote Originally Posted by KevinKohler View Post
    I believe it's because when people use buzz words like "welfare state", and the like, they are referring a system of socialism far most left than what we would like, in terms of social welfare.

    My idea of a good social safety net, instead of unemployment, is employment. I mean, we're gonna pay these people...may as well put them to work.

    Does that make me a pinko dirty socialist bastard? A welfare statist?
    If you want the govt to put them to work, yes it does. In reality the govt does not really create jobs (excepting itself-power always takes care of itself) but it does make it harder for citizens to get jobs. From minimum wage to illegal immigration.

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    Re: Welfare state vs the night-watchmen state-which do you support?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    One deals with funding operations dealing with carrying out law like police and courts, while the other deals with using funding to help people meet their needs.

    If the argument for taxation is that the state needs the funds so they can deal with criminals and the sort then there is no way you can fit the welfare state into the scope of the argument.
    And why is that exactly? Because you say so?

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    Re: Welfare state vs the night-watchmen state-which do you support?

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    And why is that exactly? Because you say so?
    Calm down. I wasn't disagreeing with you.

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    Re: Welfare state vs the night-watchmen state-which do you support?

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Kudo's for admitting this, however I dont see it reflected in the poll.
    My vote is up there. I think I was the first person to vote for it.


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    Re: Welfare state vs the night-watchmen state-which do you support?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Calm down. I wasn't disagreeing with you.
    Im calmer than a hindu cow.

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