View Poll Results: Welfare state vs the night-watchmen state-which do you support?

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  • Im a right leaning American, Welfare state.

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  • Im a left leaning American, Welfare state.

    17 45.95%
  • Im not American, Welfare state.

    4 10.81%
  • Im a right leaning American, Night-watchmen state.

    16 43.24%
  • Im a left leaning American, Night-watchmen state.

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  • Im not American, Night-watchmen state.

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    Re: Welfare state vs the night-watchmen state-which do you support?

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    Huh? We had high taxes from 1951-1980...and the recessions we had then were not nearly so bad as the recessions we've had under Reaganomics...and yes, we're are still under low-tax Reaganomics.
    Do you think low taxes leads to recessions?

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    Re: Welfare state vs the night-watchmen state-which do you support?

    Quote Originally Posted by KevinKohler View Post
    I believe it's because when people use buzz words like "welfare state", and the like, they are referring a system of socialism far most left than what we would like, in terms of social welfare.

    My idea of a good social safety net, instead of unemployment, is employment. I mean, we're gonna pay these people...may as well put them to work.

    Does that make me a pinko dirty socialist bastard? A welfare statist?
    Welfare state - a system whereby the government undertakes to protect the health and well-being of its citizens, especially those in financial or social need, by means of grants, pensions, and other benefits. The foundations for the modern welfare state in the US were laid by the New Deal programs of President Franklin D. Roosevelt.


    It sounds like you're talking about job programs, which is Keynesian in origin. There might be others that believe in such things, but I can't recall any of them right now.

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    Re: Welfare state vs the night-watchmen state-which do you support?

    It's not a binary choice

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    Re: Welfare state vs the night-watchmen state-which do you support?

    Welfare state vs the night-watchmen state-which do you support?
    false dichotomy.

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    Re: Welfare state vs the night-watchmen state-which do you support?

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    More reading can be found at the provided links. Please read them and using the provided definitions vote.


    Welfare state vs the night-watchmen state-which do you support?

    No middle? No state of reason where the welfare of citizens IS a consideration and those who work it can have it, while those incapable of doing so are provided for in an efficient manner?

    No state of logic where the asinine idea of zero tolerance is not an option, where judges have discretion?

    I think I am beginning to see the problem
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    Re: Welfare state vs the night-watchmen state-which do you support?

    Quote Originally Posted by OrphanSlug View Post
    It is like saying we need a pure capitalist system of economy. By that theory the system does have an end.
    Capitalism is more accurately an economic system. China has some capitalist traits.

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    Re: Welfare state vs the night-watchmen state-which do you support?

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    FYI, it wasn't only 'freedom' that enabled people to prosper. It was also government-funded roads, government-funded schools, government-funded military might protecting our commerce, government-funded diplomacy smoothing the way for overseas commerce, government-funded police and fire protection, government-funded access to space for our satellites...and a LOT of government-funded regulation that gave us safer places to live and work.

    YES, freedom is essential to success...but freedom by itself isn't enough. Gotta have that government-funded INFRASTRUCTURE, too. Without that strong infrastructure, you can't have real national prosperity no matter how 'free' the people may be.
    We did fine, arguablly better before big govt.

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    Re: Welfare state vs the night-watchmen state-which do you support?

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    FYI, it wasn't only 'freedom' that enabled people to prosper. It was also government-funded roads, government-funded schools, government-funded military might protecting our commerce, government-funded diplomacy smoothing the way for overseas commerce, government-funded police and fire protection, government-funded access to space for our satellites...and a LOT of government-funded regulation that gave us safer places to live and work.

    YES, freedom is essential to success...but freedom by itself isn't enough. Gotta have that government-funded INFRASTRUCTURE, too. Without that strong infrastructure, you can't have real national prosperity no matter how 'free' the people may be.
    The problem with your statement is that when you say infrastructure I think roads and bridges, not entitlements and a dependent citizenry.

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    Re: Welfare state vs the night-watchmen state-which do you support?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    In case people didn't know there was two recessions in the fifties and one in the seventies. Just sayin'
    Market corrections are a good thing. The govt intervening trying to hold back the flood gates not so much.

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    Re: Welfare state vs the night-watchmen state-which do you support?

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    And you're still comparing apples and oranges. The USSR was NEVER a socialized democracy. What you're doing is like pointing at the Chicago Cubs and saying that's why the NFL can't be a success. While they both might be sports teams, what they do is wildly different.
    The USSR was a welfare state. By the provided definitions and otherwise.

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