View Poll Results: Welfare state vs the night-watchmen state-which do you support?

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  • Im a right leaning American, Welfare state.

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  • Im a left leaning American, Welfare state.

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  • Im not American, Welfare state.

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  • Im a right leaning American, Night-watchmen state.

    16 43.24%
  • Im a left leaning American, Night-watchmen state.

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    Re: Welfare state vs the night-watchmen state-which do you support?

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    I dont recall saying "I know it can work!" but I do support the minimal functions of govt. The welfare state has proven to be a poor solution, and my example was the USSR, where supposedly all of ones needs would be provided for.
    And you're still comparing apples and oranges. The USSR was NEVER a socialized democracy. What you're doing is like pointing at the Chicago Cubs and saying that's why the NFL can't be a success. While they both might be sports teams, what they do is wildly different.
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    Re: Welfare state vs the night-watchmen state-which do you support?

    Quote Originally Posted by KevinKohler View Post
    I'm with you, but alas, according to US Conservative, that means we both vote welfare state.
    That is because you do. I'm not really sure why people think they just change the name to safety net and somehow not support the welfare state.

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    Re: Welfare state vs the night-watchmen state-which do you support?

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    I agree with this statement, but you left out the most important part of my statement...I draw the line at where that becomes a means to transfer wealth between citizens.
    Are you trying to steer the discussion towards immigration?
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    Re: Welfare state vs the night-watchmen state-which do you support?

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    FYI, it wasn't only 'freedom' that enabled people to prosper. It was also government-funded roads, government-funded schools, government-funded military might protecting our commerce, government-funded diplomacy smoothing the way for overseas commerce, government-funded police and fire protection, government-funded access to space for our satellites...and a LOT of government-funded regulation that gave us safer places to live and work.

    YES, freedom is essential to success...but freedom by itself isn't enough. Gotta have that government-funded INFRASTRUCTURE, too. Without that strong infrastructure, you can't have real national prosperity no matter how 'free' the people may be.
    And those prosperous people you resent so much for being prosperous are the ones paying for the flawless and sainted government. Still, I gotta say, having such complete faith in the government must be a much easier way to go through life.
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    Re: Welfare state vs the night-watchmen state-which do you support?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    In case people didn't know there was two recessions in the fifties and one in the seventies. Just sayin'
    Neither of which even came close to what happened in 1982, 1987, and 2008.
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    Re: Welfare state vs the night-watchmen state-which do you support?

    "He who does not think himself worth saving from poverty and ignorance by his own efforts, will hardly be thought worth the efforts of anybody else." -- Frederick Douglass, Self-Made Men (1872)
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    Re: Welfare state vs the night-watchmen state-which do you support?

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    Neither of which even came close to what happened in 1982, 1987, and 2008.
    Well, I guess if we are going to do a compare and contract between two time periods with liberal economic policies in place you win.

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    Re: Welfare state vs the night-watchmen state-which do you support?

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    And those prosperous people you resent so much for being prosperous are the ones paying for the flawless and sainted government. Still, I gotta say, having such complete faith in the government must be a much easier way to go through life.
    You really gotta watch those assumptions - I don't resent the prosperous, because I am prosperous myself.

    But I'm still waiting - as I have for years - for the small-government crowd to show me ANY first-world nation that has the conservative trifecta of small government, low effective taxes, and little or no regulation. After all, if the almighty market forces are as strong as we all know they are, then NONE of the big-government welfare states would be first-world nations...

    ...but instead, ALL of the first-world nations are big-government welfare states.

    Why is that?

    And if you can't answer, don't let that worry you...because no other small-government conservative has ever been able to answer that, either.
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    Re: Welfare state vs the night-watchmen state-which do you support?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Well, I guess if we are going to do a compare and contract between two time periods with liberal economic policies in place you win.
    Huh? We had high taxes from 1951-1980...and the recessions we had then were not nearly so bad as the recessions we've had under Reaganomics...and yes, we're are still under low-tax Reaganomics.
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    Re: Welfare state vs the night-watchmen state-which do you support?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    That is because you do. I'm not really sure why people think they just change the name to safety net and somehow not support the welfare state.
    I believe it's because when people use buzz words like "welfare state", and the like, they are referring a system of socialism far most left than what we would like, in terms of social welfare.

    My idea of a good social safety net, instead of unemployment, is employment. I mean, we're gonna pay these people...may as well put them to work.

    Does that make me a pinko dirty socialist bastard? A welfare statist?
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