View Poll Results: Welfare state vs the night-watchmen state-which do you support?

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  • Im a right leaning American, Welfare state.

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  • Im a left leaning American, Welfare state.

    17 45.95%
  • Im not American, Welfare state.

    4 10.81%
  • Im a right leaning American, Night-watchmen state.

    16 43.24%
  • Im a left leaning American, Night-watchmen state.

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  • Im not American, Night-watchmen state.

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    Re: Welfare state vs the night-watchmen state-which do you support?

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    To an extent you do. Is that not factually correct? The issue of degree could certainly be discussed, but thats a separate issue.
    Obviously, I do. But to try to force me into saying "I support the welfare state" is a dishonest means of debate.
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    Reports indicate that everyone knew he was hauling a bunch of guns up there. But, since you brought it up, there's something which should be illegal: guns that breakdown.

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    Re: Welfare state vs the night-watchmen state-which do you support?

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    You have yet to provide any proof that minarchism can work at all. Just saying "I know it can work!" without anything to back it up just won't do the trick. At its most basic level, government is a function of human psychology...and speaking for myself, I would support that which is PROVEN to work the best for the greatest number of people in the population.

    And when it comes to the USSR, you're comparing apples and oranges...because the USSR was never a socialized democracy, whereas all the most successful nations on the planet ARE socialized democracies...including America.
    I dont recall saying "I know it can work!" but I do support the minimal functions of govt. The welfare state has proven to be a poor solution, and my example was the USSR, where supposedly all of ones needs would be provided for.

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    Re: Welfare state vs the night-watchmen state-which do you support?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Well, people often refer to me as conservative, mainly because of my position on gun rights and dislike of excessive government... but I really am a centrist.

    I favor a social safety net (preferably a much more efficiently run one that we have at present, focused more on hand UP than hand-out), and some limited gov't intervention in the "free market" to prevent things like monopoly and the exploitation of desperate workers by far more powerful employers, and so on.


    I just recognize that massive wealth is a form of power in itself, and those who accumulate such massive wealth and capitol can so easily steamroller those without it, that some gov't protection of the individual citizen in economic matters is as necessary as safeguarding the Bill of Rights.


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    Or as I like to put it, rather than subscribe to an "ism", I simply support what works.

    I think what we have in this country is a generational push, from one end to the other.
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    Reports indicate that everyone knew he was hauling a bunch of guns up there. But, since you brought it up, there's something which should be illegal: guns that breakdown.

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    Re: Welfare state vs the night-watchmen state-which do you support?

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    Any taxation at all is wealth redistribution - just like the conservatives have always said.
    I agree with this statement, but you left out the most important part of my statement...I draw the line at where that becomes a means to transfer wealth between citizens.

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    Re: Welfare state vs the night-watchmen state-which do you support?

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    WTF, it's been 20 minutes and no votes for a Welfare state yet. THINK OF THE CHILDREN!
    Well, obviously they support them dieing in the streets!

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    Re: Welfare state vs the night-watchmen state-which do you support?

    I reject radicalism and extremism.
    "I did not mean that Conservatives are generally stupid people. I meant that stupid people are generally Conservatives."
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    Re: Welfare state vs the night-watchmen state-which do you support?

    Quote Originally Posted by KevinKohler View Post
    Obviously, I do. But to try to force me into saying "I support the welfare state" is a dishonest means of debate.
    Then dont vote in the poll? Im not trying to force YOU to say anything. I am trying to gauge peoples baseline though.

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    Re: Welfare state vs the night-watchmen state-which do you support?

    Quote Originally Posted by Grand Mal View Post
    I reject radicalism and extremism.
    Well, then your in luck as the nightwatchmen state is neither radical or extreme. For that matter neither is the welfare state since most of the western world has a welfare system.

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    Re: Welfare state vs the night-watchmen state-which do you support?

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    Good grief. The government didn't make this country great, people having the freedom to prosper (and yes, profit) did. We really do speak a whole other language sometimes.
    FYI, it wasn't only 'freedom' that enabled people to prosper. It was also government-funded roads, government-funded schools, government-funded military might protecting our commerce, government-funded diplomacy smoothing the way for overseas commerce, government-funded police and fire protection, government-funded access to space for our satellites...and a LOT of government-funded regulation that gave us safer places to live and work.

    YES, freedom is essential to success...but freedom by itself isn't enough. Gotta have that government-funded INFRASTRUCTURE, too. Without that strong infrastructure, you can't have real national prosperity no matter how 'free' the people may be.
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    Re: Welfare state vs the night-watchmen state-which do you support?

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    Any taxation at all is wealth redistribution - just like the conservatives have always said.

    That said, why not do that which has been shown to be the most beneficial to the greatest percentage of the population? Besides, when taxes were much higher - as they certainly were for the thirty years from 1951-1980, during which we remained on top of the economic heap - do you remember the rich lining up at the soup line? Of course not. The taxes were much higher...and (except for what happened due to the Arab Oil Embargo) America prospered quite nicely.
    In case people didn't know there was two recessions in the fifties and one in the seventies. Just sayin'

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