View Poll Results: Welfare state vs the night-watchmen state-which do you support?

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  • Im a right leaning American, Welfare state.

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  • Im a left leaning American, Welfare state.

    17 45.95%
  • Im not American, Welfare state.

    4 10.81%
  • Im a right leaning American, Night-watchmen state.

    16 43.24%
  • Im a left leaning American, Night-watchmen state.

    0 0%
  • Im not American, Night-watchmen state.

    0 0%
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Thread: Welfare state vs the night-watchmen state-which do you support?

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    Re: Welfare state vs the night-watchmen state-which do you support?

    Quote Originally Posted by Federalist View Post
    The welfare state requires that some people forcibly take the money from some in order to hand it over to others. I was always taught that it's wrong to take from others. Thus, I can't support the welfare state, as it requires robbing Peter to pay Paul.
    Many people today think it is right to act in the public sphere in a way they would deem unacceptable in the private sphere.

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    Re: Welfare state vs the night-watchmen state-which do you support?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    No, if a common thug decided to rob people to help his neighbors you would not say his actions were justified because he used what he stole to help others, but would instead see him as a thief. It is no different for the government. It does not change the nature of the act because the government uses what it has stolen to help people. It is still the actions of a thief and men and women are still robbed of their property no matter if the intent of the theft was for noble ends or not.
    That is a false comparison. A thief is not a democracy and does not represent you. When society requires your funds, you know where those funds are going. They go to maintain the very democracy that represents the people, and assuming welfare, they would go to maintaining the universal welfare institutions which benefit everyone, not just a thug - or his/her neighbors. it's a massive, incomparable difference.

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    Re: Welfare state vs the night-watchmen state-which do you support?

    Quote Originally Posted by ThesisQuasar View Post
    It's not Robbing peter to pay Paul, it's Peter, Paul, and everyone else realizing they live in a society, and to create a society with the highest standard of living, they must pitch in.
    Spare me the Orwellian spin. Peter has no say, and money is always flowing towards Paul. So its unfair to Peter and Paul has less incentive to take care of himself.

    This experiment has been tried all over the world for the last century. It does not work-let the marxist dream die.

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    Re: Welfare state vs the night-watchmen state-which do you support?

    Quote Originally Posted by ThesisQuasar View Post
    That is a false comparison. A thief is not a democracy and does not represent you. When society requires your funds, you know where those funds are going. They go to maintain the very democracy that represents the people, and assuming welfare, they would go to maintaining the universal welfare institutions which benefit everyone, not just a thug - or his/her neighbors. it's a massive, incomparable difference.
    So what you are saying is the only difference is the amount of people involved in the crime. Alright.

    You might think that voting to rob others changes the nature of the crime, but sorry, it doesn't.

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