View Poll Results: Welfare state vs the night-watchmen state-which do you support?

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  • Im a right leaning American, Welfare state.

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  • Im a left leaning American, Welfare state.

    17 45.95%
  • Im not American, Welfare state.

    4 10.81%
  • Im a right leaning American, Night-watchmen state.

    16 43.24%
  • Im a left leaning American, Night-watchmen state.

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  • Im not American, Night-watchmen state.

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    Re: Welfare state vs the night-watchmen state-which do you support?

    Quote Originally Posted by Federalist View Post
    If holds that it's not right for one person to violate the person or property of his neighbor, then one cannot support anything more than a night watchman state. Everything the state does beyond acting as a night watchman is just more violation of the person or property of the citizen.
    yes - if one lives in an alternate reality where real people in a real country with real problems and real needs do not exist - then it is a simple black and white choice.
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    Re: Welfare state vs the night-watchmen state-which do you support?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    yes - if one lives in an alternate reality where real people in a real country with real problems and real needs do not exist - then it is a simple black and white choice.
    Those real people are the ones whose person and property you advocate for the government to violate. How caring of you.

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    Re: Welfare state vs the night-watchmen state-which do you support?

    Quote Originally Posted by Federalist View Post
    Those real people are the ones whose person and property you advocate for the government to violate. How caring of you.
    You do too. We have long ago established that reality.
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    Re: Welfare state vs the night-watchmen state-which do you support?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    You do too. We have long ago established that reality.
    No, I don't advocate that the government initiate aggression against the person and property of anyone. Try again.

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    Re: Welfare state vs the night-watchmen state-which do you support?

    You really are incapable of posting any poll without conditioning that it is limited to declaring a partisan alliance. So, once again, I will not participate or vote in it.

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    Re: Welfare state vs the night-watchmen state-which do you support?

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    If what you're referring to is absolute proof that socialized democracy is a failure, then explain why we don't see the same in even more socialized nations like Australia, New Zealand, Japan, Canada, and most of western Europe.

    What you're pointing to isn't proof of the 'failure' of socialized democracy - what you're pointing to is proof that we aren't implementing it as well as those other nations.
    Everyone of those nations would do better if they adopted more free market policies and diminished the welfare state. They are all (at different times) going to end up like greece. Eventually the ponzi scheme collapses.

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    Re: Welfare state vs the night-watchmen state-which do you support?

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    Just living in California doesn't mean that one lives among a bunch of liberals - there's some very conservative areas in California. And my point stands - you didn't come by your claims by using any particular empirical measure.

    Check out the definition of confirmation bias - it's enlightening, and applies very well to politics (and religion, and almost every other area of dispute between human beings).
    Where are these "very conservative" areas? Even those that lean that way are still half democrat. And still surrounded by the same liberal fail, besides Ive lived all over the state. Its liberal as hell.

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    Re: Welfare state vs the night-watchmen state-which do you support?

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    I rarely if ever watch videos - for me, information is gathered much more quickly by reading...what I see in videos is simply too slow. Besides, videos can be so easily made to deceive (as O'Keefe did when he made egregiously-edited videos to attack ACORN).

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    Re: Welfare state vs the night-watchmen state-which do you support?

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    More reading can be found at the provided links. Please read them and using the provided definitions vote.


    Welfare state vs the night-watchmen state-which do you support?
    I mostly agree with the definition of a welfare state except that it says fair distribution of wealth, I would not say fair because what is fair. I personally would say (as is the norm in my country) a fairer distribution of wealth. But as a whole I would support the welfare state compared to the other option 100% of the time.
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    Re: Welfare state vs the night-watchmen state-which do you support?

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    Problem is, you're stuck in the mindset that taxation other than for things you personally support must therefore be bad. And as always, I point out that if that 'wealth redistribution' (which keeps so many people from being homeless, keeps so many children fed and healthier than they would be otherwise, and which DOES keep down the crime rate) was so bad for the nation as a whole, then NONE of the first-world democracies would be socialized democracies.

    If you're going to maintain that taxation to support the social safety net is such a bad thing, then you've GOT to explain away the success of the first world democracies - ALL of which are socialized democracies, ALL of which have the very kinds of taxation and social safety nets you decry. Explain their sustaied success first.
    Your flaw is in assuming that because they are associated that one is causative of the other. Just not so.

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