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  • Im a right leaning American, Welfare state.

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  • Im a left leaning American, Welfare state.

    17 45.95%
  • Im not American, Welfare state.

    4 10.81%
  • Im a right leaning American, Night-watchmen state.

    16 43.24%
  • Im a left leaning American, Night-watchmen state.

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  • Im not American, Night-watchmen state.

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    Re: Welfare state vs the night-watchmen state-which do you support?

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Big government is easy to vote for, because that's how politicians get elected and re-elected by giving away the only commodity govt has..... money. Frankly I doubt you knew the answer.
    Agreed save for one thing-the only commodity govt has is SOMEONE ELSES money.

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    Re: Welfare state vs the night-watchmen state-which do you support?

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    Tell that to all the other first-world socialized democracies that have far fewer homeless people, thanks to their anti-poverty campaigns.
    Tell that to the multi generational poverty stricken here in the US. The govt is the dealer, enabling dependency. And its for votes.

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    Re: Welfare state vs the night-watchmen state-which do you support?

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Agreed save for one thing-the only commodity govt has is SOMEONE ELSES money.
    Yes partly beside the money they print.
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    Re: Welfare state vs the night-watchmen state-which do you support?

    The welfare State is my preference.

    I can watch the night just fine by myself.
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    Re: Welfare state vs the night-watchmen state-which do you support?

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Tell that to the multi generational poverty stricken here in the US. The govt is the dealer, enabling dependency. And its for votes.
    If what you're referring to is absolute proof that socialized democracy is a failure, then explain why we don't see the same in even more socialized nations like Australia, New Zealand, Japan, Canada, and most of western Europe.

    What you're pointing to isn't proof of the 'failure' of socialized democracy - what you're pointing to is proof that we aren't implementing it as well as those other nations.
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    Re: Welfare state vs the night-watchmen state-which do you support?

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    I have grown up surrounded by liberals, I live deep in the heart of liberalism-California. I know exactly what liberals are (and even voted for gore, eeesh) in fact it was one of the reasons I became a conservative-by growing up surrounded by liberals.
    Just living in California doesn't mean that one lives among a bunch of liberals - there's some very conservative areas in California. And my point stands - you didn't come by your claims by using any particular empirical measure.

    Check out the definition of confirmation bias - it's enlightening, and applies very well to politics (and religion, and almost every other area of dispute between human beings).
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    Re: Welfare state vs the night-watchmen state-which do you support?

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Watch the video, so many of your arguments are discussed. Its catchy as well.
    I rarely if ever watch videos - for me, information is gathered much more quickly by reading...what I see in videos is simply too slow. Besides, videos can be so easily made to deceive (as O'Keefe did when he made egregiously-edited videos to attack ACORN).

    Give me text - that's the world I deal with.
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    Re: Welfare state vs the night-watchmen state-which do you support?

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Again, I dont see why this is hard for you to grasp. Im not against taxation. Im against taxation for purposes of wealth redistribution. Taxes for military and police=acceptable. Taxes to allow politicians to buy votes by forcibly redistributing wealth=bad.

    Please read that again before responding.
    Problem is, you're stuck in the mindset that taxation other than for things you personally support must therefore be bad. And as always, I point out that if that 'wealth redistribution' (which keeps so many people from being homeless, keeps so many children fed and healthier than they would be otherwise, and which DOES keep down the crime rate) was so bad for the nation as a whole, then NONE of the first-world democracies would be socialized democracies.

    If you're going to maintain that taxation to support the social safety net is such a bad thing, then you've GOT to explain away the success of the first world democracies - ALL of which are socialized democracies, ALL of which have the very kinds of taxation and social safety nets you decry. Explain their sustaied success first.
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    Re: Welfare state vs the night-watchmen state-which do you support?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Actually your argument demands some sort of calculation as you said I would pay either way as if the cost was equal or greater without welfare. Crime rates might very well be higher without the welfare system, but I don't believe costs would be anywhere near as high without it.
    AGAIN, it's hard to argue with an empty stomach.

    Picture this, guy - you're homeless...or if you do have a home you're having to decide between paying the rent and feeding your kid. You've tried so doggone hard to find a job...but nobody's hiring. Your kids are going hungry. What do you do?

    You do the same damn thing that has driven so many women to prostitution, or you start stealing food...and that turns to other things.

    If you were to live in a third-world nation for a while, where there IS limited government and there is NO social safety net, that's what you would see.

    Henrin, if what you claim were true, then NONE of the first-world democracies would be socialized democracies. Problem is, ALL of the first-world democracies are socialized democracies. Every single one of them. You are - as always - arguing against what has proven to be the most successful form of government in human history. What you personally think or believe does. not. matter. when it runs counter to what is plainly obvious in the success of the socialized democracies of the world.
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    Re: Welfare state vs the night-watchmen state-which do you support?

    Quote Originally Posted by Declan View Post
    There are other arguments against it. You just recognize the legitimacy of the one apparently. I do not agree that most people want to do be productive. I think most people want to get as much money as possible with the least effort as possible. My primary concerns are that companies would not adapt quickly enough to changing global markets and that it discourages people from being innovative in creating their own businesses with new products and services.
    It's not really a matter of what people want or do not want to do. It's really more of a matter of leadership, of their system of government. As Napoleon once said, "There are no bad regiments, only bad colonels." If the people are living in a nation with a better system of government, they will do better. One sees this all the time with immigrants. Take a guy who's a bum in a third-world nation and bring him to a first-world nation, almost every time you'll see him working hard at a paying job.

    Yes, individual people can be wildly different from each other, but generally speaking - and with allowing for local, cultural, and national norms - people are pretty much the same all over the world. That was my big paradigm shift in the Navy after growing up in the very deepest of the Deep South. People really are pretty much the same. Give them real opportunity and encouragement, and most (though certainly not all) will do their level best for you.
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