View Poll Results: Could you deport them personally or not?

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    Re: Deportation Question.

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Because those are two laws that don't have statutes of limitations, similar to illegal entry into a country. If I'd mentioned some other law that has a statute of limitations, then a certain period of time having passed would prohibit prosecution of the crime.

    I'm pretty much a law and order conservative who believes that laws should be enforced and penalties should be enforced when convicted. In a democracy, if we collectively don't like those laws or penalties, we can work to have our political representatives change them - that happens all the time - drug laws are an example. Perhaps what should be done is to have illegal entry laws have a statute of limitation where the crime lapses after a certain period, not requiring amnesty which is a dirty word, and then allowing individuals to enter the system legally through certain processes that are outlined in legislation.
    The problem with the statute of limitations thingy is if you did not come here legally, and you woke up here this morning, the clock starts ticking this afternoon.

    If you, say, are a a thief, and you started stealing 20 years ago, and steal tday, the statute of limitations on the old thefts apply, but not today's theft.

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    Re: Deportation Question.

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    I am saying the parents have lived and worked here illegally for 15 years (most likely on duplicate Social Security numbers) so they are not charity cases, but just the same they are not living and working here legally. Many of the the Hispanic kids at my kids schools speak little Spanish despite the fact their parents speak Spanish, I think that's all a question of whether the parents speak Spanish in the home or not.

    As a side note, you summed up my position on the issue perfectly.
    If they've been working and living in this country that long, and have produced two children who are natural born US citizens as per the 14th. Amendment, then they should be able to go back to the US consulate in Mexico and be granted green cards to come here legally and no longer fear deportation.

    IMO, that is.

    Oh, why have to go to the consulate in Mexico? So as not to spark a flood of illegals such as we saw back in the '80s, that's why.
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    Re: Deportation Question.

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    I don't think theft and coming here illegally looking for work is in anyway morally comparable. As to why the kids are relevant, its because while roughly 1 in 30 of us or so are sociopaths, the rest of us have a conscience and thus splitting families up or tearing kids away from all their friends and the only life they have ever known simply because their parents came here illegally decades before, is something that most people could not do if they had to do it themselves.

    I have thought lately about why president's as ideologically far apart as Obama, Bush Sr, and Reagan all basically granted amnesty to immigrants that formed families here, and I think its because regardless of one's political beliefs most of us have a conscience and have to be able to sleep at night, and when these things are on you personally, its hard to rationalize breaking up families.
    Are you implying that those us who believe in the rule of law are sociopaths and don't have a conscience?

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    Re: Deportation Question.

    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo View Post
    Are you implying that those us who believe in the rule of law are sociopaths and don't have a conscience?

    I typically don't take internet banter personally, but this post I do.
    No I am saying that these things are messy and a lot of people talk big on them could not do it themselves depending on the circumstances. As I said earlier, I am all for stronger borders and frankly I think we have too many people in this country as it is (not to mention the world), but I don't think I could rip a family with kids up that had been here working and living for more than a decade and despite the big talk on here, I doubt many other people could either. The point being I think you probably have a conscience and that's why it would be hard.
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    Re: Deportation Question.

    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo View Post
    The problem with the statute of limitations thingy is if you did not come here legally, and you woke up here this morning, the clock starts ticking this afternoon.

    If you, say, are a a thief, and you started stealing 20 years ago, and steal tday, the statute of limitations on the old thefts apply, but not today's theft.
    That's an excellent point - illegal entry into the country and being illegally in the country are two separate crimes - the illegal entry can have a statute of limitations unless the person is constantly entering and exiting the country - but being illegally in the country is a crime that is continuously committed each day/hour/minute you remain.
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    Re: Deportation Question.

    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo View Post
    Are you implying that those us who believe in the rule of law are sociopaths and don't have a conscience?
    I'll speak for him: Yes. However the sociopathic tendencies most likely come from the fact that you probably don't actually know an illegal immigrant.

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    It's entirely up to you, could you personally walk into their home, arrest the parents in front of their kids, bring them up before an immigration hearing where you sit as judge, and then deport them back to Mexico?
    Hell no. I know more illegal immigrants than I could count. They're perfectly wonderful people.
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    Re: Deportation Question.

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    No I am saying that these things are messy and a lot of people talk big on them could not do it themselves depending on the circumstances. As I said earlier, I am all for stronger borders and frankly I think we have too many people in this country as it is (not to mention the world), but I don't think I could rip a family with kids up that had been here working and living for more than a decade and despite the big talk on here, I doubt many other people could either. The point being I think you probably have a conscience and that's why it would be hard.
    Strong borders are a farce. Unless you're sucker for a welfare state, there's no reason that migrants should face any barriers (outside of having a good moral standing) in coming to the United States.
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    Re: Deportation Question.

    Quote Originally Posted by brothern View Post
    I'll speak for him: Yes. However the sociopathic tendencies most likely come from the fact that you probably don't actually know an illegal immigrant.


    Hell no. I know more illegal immigrants than I could count. They're perfectly wonderful people.
    I do know some illegals. I don't associate with or hire them because I don't associate with or hire criminals.

    My belief in the rule of law in no way implys that I have no conscience.

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    Re: Deportation Question.

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    A man and his wife sneak across the border illegally from Mexico. After they live here for a couple of years they have a couple of kids. The kids are now age 9 and 13 and have lived here their whole lives. They don't speak much Spanish. They are enrolled in school and like all kids have friends and play sports and so on. The parents however have never obtained legal status despite the fact they have lived and worked here for 15 years.

    It's entirely up to you, could you personally walk into their home, arrest the parents in front of their kids, bring them up before an immigration hearing where you sit as judge, and then deport them back to Mexico?
    In a heartbeat.

    Let me pose one to you: Say a man, age 20, sexually assaults a woman, avoids getting caught, lives an exemplary life for 30 years...pillar of his community...3 kids, one still in high school, etc., and then, new evidence connects him to the crime. Should he be charged? Should he go to trial? If found guilty, should he be sentenced?
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    Re: Deportation Question.

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Personally, I could. There are lots of crimes committed in our society that aren't solved until years or decades later. We don't tell a murderer his crime doesn't matter because he now has a wife and kids. We don't tell a rapist that all is cool because he now has a good job and is caring for his elderly parents.

    These attempts to ignore the laws of the land on the basis of emotional blackmail are really contemptible in my view.
    There is no comparison to the crime of murder or rape and being an illegal alien who has committed no crime outside of the way that he entered the country. If he pays his taxes, is a good and upstanding person and a positive influence in community then I see no reason to punish the children in such a horrendous manner. Fine him if you want, but imprisoning him? Cost the US society more money and further compromising the prison system by jailing a totally non violent person, that is just insane. Let him pay money as a fine but jailing him is just too extreme and not right.
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