View Poll Results: Could you deport them personally or not?

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  • Yes, I think I could do it.

    31 51.67%
  • No, I don't think I could.

    29 48.33%
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    Re: Deportation Question.

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    Its more than just that. For example, I am against vigilante justice. If someone killed one of my kids, I would want to kill them, and that is precisely why I shouldn't be allowed to. There is a lot cognitive dissonance in life, this is just one of example of it. Personally, I think the vast majority of people that voted yes in this poll could not actually do it if it was their personal decision and they had to get their hands dirty. That doesn't mean at a macro level / public policy level its a bad idea to deport those that are here illegally, it just means at the individual level its much grayer than most people are willing to admit.
    ....not intending to hit out at you personally, but as a position, that doesn't strike me as very manly. You're willing to do it, so long as you personally don't have to get your hands dirty?

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    Re: Deportation Question.

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    ....not intending to hit out at you personally, but as a position, that doesn't strike me as very manly. You're willing to do it, so long as you personally don't have to get your hands dirty?
    No its actually pretty well established in psychology. There are a lot of things that people will do if it is their job to do it that they would not do if they had to make the decision entirely themselves. Similarly there are a lot of things that one can support as being good policy overall that they would find hard to do themselves at the individual level. How "manly" someone is has nothing to do with it, its just how our conscience works.

    For example, a company cuts back its workforce to respond to changing market conditions. One can see why they would have to do it, but still also see where it would be hard to be the middle manager having to decide which of his people he would let go. (this is why sociopaths make good CEOs)
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    Re: Deportation Question.

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    Not really, because you are comparing a misdemeanor with a felony.
    Fair enough, Crossing the border illegally should be a felony then.

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    Re: Deportation Question.

    Quote Originally Posted by lifeisshort View Post
    Fair enough, Crossing the border illegally should be a felony then.
    We are going to need to build a lot more prisons then.
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    Re: Deportation Question.

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    We are going to need to build a lot more prisons then.
    No jus more and better fences and deportation buses

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    Re: Deportation Question.

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    It isnt their fault, or their job. Their job is to produce stuff, not to enforce the law. Thats the job of the govt.
    Not so fast. It is not an employer's job to enforce the law in the sense of arresting and prosecuting illegal immigrants. It is, however, the employer's responsibility to obey the laws, and the law says they are not allowed to hire illegal immigrants. So, being the law-abiding person that you seem to be, you advocate prosecution of employers breaking the law by hiring illegal immigrants, correct?


    Quote Originally Posted by lifeisshort View Post
    Fair enough, Crossing the border illegally should be a felony then.
    We have too many felonies already. Are you willing to downgrade some felonies to misdemeanors? If so, which ones?
    If you claim sexual harassment to be wrong, yet you defend anyone on your side for any reason,
    then you are a hypocrite and everything you say on the matter is just babble.

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    Re: Deportation Question.

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    improvements are coming with the digitization of everything. Soon your car will report you for speeding, or have a digital ID that will identify you to a scanner, the same as they currently have video camera's at stoplights.
    Technologically, that is possible. Politically, I highly doubt it.
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    Re: Deportation Question.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Technologically, that is possible. Politically, I highly doubt it.
    Oh. It's your opinion, then, that states are pretty well funded, and that localities will give up easy, low-cost ways of generating revenue?

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    Re: Deportation Question.

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Oh. It's your opinion, then, that states are pretty well funded, and that localities will give up easy, low-cost ways of generating revenue?
    I'm sure that they would love to have another easy, low cost way of generating revenue. The problem is, the GPS speed detectors are likely to go the way of red light cameras in some of the communities. The protests are so loud that the communities (some of them anyway) have given up.

    and that's not to mention the problem of motorists tinkering with the devices.
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    Re: Deportation Question.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    Perhaps the benefits are given to their legal children.
    Could be, in the cases I don't know that the entire family is here illegally.

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