View Poll Results: Could you deport them personally or not?

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    Re: Deportation Question.

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    A man and his wife sneak across the border illegally from Mexico. After they live here for a couple of years they have a couple of kids. The kids are now age 9 and 13 and have lived here their whole lives. They don't speak much Spanish. They are enrolled in school and like all kids have friends and play sports and so on. The parents however have never obtained legal status despite the fact they have lived and worked here for 15 years.

    It's entirely up to you, could you personally walk into their home, arrest the parents in front of their kids, bring them up before an immigration hearing where you sit as judge, and then deport them back to Mexico?
    Yes, as hard as it would be, I could. BUT......I would want a guest worker program in place that would give them a chance to come back legally provided they had a business or a permanent job to come back to. We just can't let our heart rule our heads in these matters--when compassion promotes unintended negative consequences, it isn't really compassion. We do nobody, not natural born citizens, not naturalized citizens, not legalized 'guests' in this country, any favors when we promote conditions that are disadvantageous to just about everybody here legally. What does it profit us to allow ourselves to deteriorate into just another hum drum country without resources or power to help anybody?
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    Re: Deportation Question.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    They being the INS?

    or they being the employers of illegals?

    Nothing gets done unless the big donors want it done.
    Not only those employers that directly hire illegals but those that enjoy keeping wages of all US workers, especially their material/inventory suppliers, depressed. Another magical element, in the area of wage suppression, is the "safety net" - it lets the employer pay wages that would otherwise attract only teenagers or folks looking for some extra cash by making the "head of household" get supplemental pay via income redistribution schemes to increase only their pay. It would be illegal for an employer to pay based on a worker's financial need, for any given position, but is deemed just peachy when the gov't does it for them.
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    Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man.” ― George Bernard Shaw, Man and Superman

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    Re: Deportation Question.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    Do you have any evidence that they obtained their benefits cards legally? My google search did not reveal any benefits for illegal aliens except this reference: "...Instead of spending time devising benefits for illegal aliens, Oregon legislators should do much more to discourage illegal immigration. Benefits to illegal aliens such as in-state tuition and driving privileges legitimize illegal immigration and entice more of it...."* In-state tuition may count as a benefit, but the fact that it does not mention any others indicates that there aren't any benefits such as welfare or EBT cards.

    *Oregon can help stop illegal immigration | OregonLive.com
    I'll look, but I can tell you I see it every day when I walk down to the corner store.

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    Re: Deportation Question.

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    Isn't it amazing to watch others justify things that by law are wrong? They first must make the argument on the basis that ignores laws. Then they turn it on you when you have respect for the laws and then claim you to either be a racist, bigot, inhumane, on and on and on. These tactics are getting old Either we are a country of laws or we aren't.
    The law does not determine morality, only legality. Many morally acceptable acts are illegal and many immoral acts are legal.

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    Re: Deportation Question.

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    Because it not their fault. They shouldnt have to bend over to fix the problems the govt is responsible for. Punish the people sneaking in. Punish govt incompetence.
    It is the employer's fault, they are the ones with the power and freedom to choose. Obeying these laws is not bending over to fix problems, it is being a decent person.

    It is the employer's moral and legal responsibility to pay the minimum wage and provide safe working conditions. The employer chooses whether to do the right thing or increase profits. Besides exploiting his employees, he is driving down wages for all workers in the region and unfairly hurting his competitors.

    A poor immigrant worker is desperate and must work to survive and has little choice in the situation. The employer who breaks the law to exploit desperate workers is an exploitive scumbag and deserves to be prosecuted. A poor person trying to feed his family is not reponsible for the problems created by the exploitive employer.

    That conservatives don't understand this is a symptom of their sociopathy and/or brainwashing by big business interests (Stockholder's Syndrome)
    Last edited by Hard Truth; 11-27-14 at 04:19 PM.

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    Re: Deportation Question.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    It is the employer's fault, they are the ones with the powwer and freedom to choose. Obeying these laws is not bending over to fix problems, it is being a decent person.

    It is the employer's moral and legal responsibility to pay the minimum wage and provide safe working conditions. The employer is in a position of power and has free choice whether to do the right thing or increase profits. Besides exploiting his employees, he is driving down wages for all workers in the region and unfairly hurting his competitors.

    A poor worker immigrant is desperate and must work to survive and has little choice in the situation. The employer who breaks the law to exploit desperate workers is an exploitive scumbag and deserves to be prosecuted. A poor person trying to feed his family is not reponsible for the problems created by the exploitive employer.

    That conservatives don't understand this is a symptom of their sociopathy and/or brainwashing by big business interests (Stockholder's Syndrome)
    Most employers go through the motions of screening employees. The problem is fake documents. For $200 you can get a pretty good looking 'green card' and social security card. The employer can't look past that or they will be charged with discrimination. Everybody that eats out at restaurants needs to know that 'Juan' cooking their food in the kitchen is illegal......everybody just looks the other way.....customers and employers alike.

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    Re: Deportation Question.

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    The idea of "self deportation", aka the Romney plan, still does not address what happens to anchor babies. These are US citizens that will surely return to the US but probably not as well educated as if they are permitted to remain. In essence, they still get the shaft whether voluntarily deported or forcibly deported.

    Pretending that 5K ICE agents can enforce that no illegal alien employment policy is also a joke - we now use 10 times that many TSA agents just to enforce airport security How, exact;y, would you check for compliance by millions of US employers from large corporations to mom & pop operations and common folks hiring nannies, building contractors and lawn maintenance workers?
    A lot of progress could be made by targeting the larger businesses in the fields that have a recent history of exploiting illegal immigrant workers for enforcement, ie. agriculture, construction and meat packing.

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    Re: Deportation Question.

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    I'll look, but I can tell you I see it every day when I walk down to the corner store.
    Perhaps the benefits are given to their legal children.

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    Re: Deportation Question.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    Perhaps the benefits are given to their legal children.
    Exactly....but the parents eat the food that the food stamps provide as well. And they don't have to pay for the delivery of their children or their medical care.

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    Re: Deportation Question.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hangin' Chad View Post
    Most employers go through the motions of screening employees. The problem is fake documents. For $200 you can get a pretty good looking 'green card' and social security card. The employer can't look past that or they will be charged with discrimination. Everybody that eats out at restaurants needs to know that 'Juan' cooking their food in the kitchen is illegal......everybody just looks the other way.....customers and employers alike.
    An employer that bothers to check for legal residency is also paying minimum wage and has legal working conditions. There are plenty of legal "Juans" working in restaurants and elsewhere, so one shouldn't assume that a brown person working an unskilled job is illegal.

    It is the large businesses that mostly hire illegals so they don't have to pay minimum wage and maintain safe and legal working conditions that need to be the priority targets for enforcement. Some of them are enslaving, wounding and killing their workers. (look into contemporary slavery in Florida for horrifying examples)

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