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Thread: Deportation Question.

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    Re: Deportation Question.

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    A man and his wife sneak across the border illegally from Mexico. After they live here for a couple of years they have a couple of kids. The kids are now age 9 and 13 and have lived here their whole lives. They don't speak much Spanish. They are enrolled in school and like all kids have friends and play sports and so on. The parents however have never obtained legal status despite the fact they have lived and worked here for 15 years.

    It's entirely up to you, could you personally walk into their home, arrest the parents in front of their kids, bring them up before an immigration hearing where you sit as judge, and then deport them back to Mexico?
    So people who commit crimes shouldn't get arrested if they have kids who have friends and play sports? Dare to dream.

    The parents in the example you gave broke the law. The kids you mention seem irrelevant to the story. If I embezzled money from my company, and I got caught, I wouldn't expect to receive a pass from law enforcement and the court system because my kids have friends and play sports.
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    Re: Deportation Question.

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    I generally find you to be a very reasonable poster on here. So why on earth would you compare someone that comes to this country illegally with murderers and rapists?
    I think the common link is the illegal part.

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    Re: Deportation Question.

    Absolutely I could and I would. Breaking the law is breaking the law, people deserve to be held accountable for their actions, period.
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    Re: Deportation Question.

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    So people who commit crimes shouldn't get arrested if they have kids who have friends and play sports? Dare to dream.

    The parents in the example you gave broke the law. The kids you mention seem irrelevant to the story. If I embezzled money from my company, and I got caught, I wouldn't expect to receive a pass from law enforcement and the court system because my kids have friends and play sports.
    I don't think theft and coming here illegally looking for work is in anyway morally comparable. As to why the kids are relevant, its because while roughly 1 in 30 of us or so are sociopaths, the rest of us have a conscience and thus splitting families up or tearing kids away from all their friends and the only life they have ever known simply because their parents came here illegally decades before, is something that most people could not do if they had to do it themselves.

    I have thought lately about why president's as ideologically far apart as Obama, Bush Sr, and Reagan all basically granted amnesty to immigrants that formed families here, and I think its because regardless of one's political beliefs most of us have a conscience and have to be able to sleep at night, and when these things are on you personally, its hard to rationalize breaking up families.
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    Re: Deportation Question.

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    I don't think most people see it as fraud though. Fraud involves cheating others. Most people would not commit fraud regardless of where they are from. However, a lot of people would illegally immigrate to another country if their situation was desperate enough and they saw opportunity there.
    What is illegal immigration if not fraud by the employee and/or employer? You make it sound like them jumping past many of their fellow countrymen as well those from other nations is no big deal and that they deserve some special break for that illegal (and immoral?) act. Many "see opportunity" when they find a wallet on the sidewalk or in a parking lot - but that is either an opportunity to take the cash and toss it into the trash or an opportunity to try to return it to its rightful owner.
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    Re: Deportation Question.

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    I know for a fact that China won't.
    Well then those children go into the system here, fine. Illegals from China represent less than 1% of the problem. I know for a fact Mexico and the South American nations will and do. That right there is the vast majority of the illegals.

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    Re: Deportation Question.

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    How are they going to get right with the law once they came here illegally? Its something of a Catch-22 at that point.
    It's not a catch 22, you just don't like the answer.

    You get right by sneaking back to your own country, and, if you want to return to the US, fill out the paperwork, send it in, and wait till we call you.

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    Re: Deportation Question.

    I could deport them. Though I'd probably offer to let them stay if they had no criminal record other than entering illegally and were willing to pay their 15 years of back taxes.
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    Re: Deportation Question.

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Well then those children go into the system here, fine. Illegals from China represent less than 1% of the problem. I know for a fact Mexico and the South American nations will and do. That right there is the vast majority of the illegals.
    Yeah sure, I would like to see you send parents back to China and kids into an orphanage here. Big talk but I doubt you could do it.
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    Re: Deportation Question.

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    I don't think theft and coming here illegally looking for work is in anyway morally comparable. As to why the kids are relevant, its because while roughly 1 in 30 of us or so are sociopaths, the rest of us have a conscience and thus splitting families up or tearing kids away from all their friends and the only life they have ever known simply because their parents came here illegally decades before, is something that most people could not do if they had to do it themselves.

    I have thought lately about why president's as ideologically far apart as Obama, Bush Sr, and Reagan all basically granted amnesty to immigrants that formed families here, and I think its because regardless of one's political beliefs most of us have a conscience and have to be able to sleep at night, and when these things are on you personally, its hard to rationalize breaking up families.
    We don't uphold laws based on whether the accused have kids or not. And I think the entire point of your argument is that you think everyone who is here illegally hasn't done anything wrong. That's your choice and I have a different opinion but still respect yours. But please don't try to make it appear as it's something other than that.
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