View Poll Results: Could you deport them personally or not?

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    Re: Deportation Question.

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    So? This is why criminals hide their activities, because they are guilty of a crime and afraid of getting caught. Don't care if they are subject to dangerous and exploitive work, they shouldn't be here working in the first place.
    Isn't it amazing to watch others justify things that by law are wrong? They first must make the argument on the basis that ignores laws. Then they turn it on you when you have respect for the laws and then claim you to either be a racist, bigot, inhumane, on and on and on. These tactics are getting old Either we are a country of laws or we aren't.

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    Re: Deportation Question.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    Which states, cities, counties, and towns give illegal aliens welfare benefits? I don't think there are any.
    If there are none currently then this should be an easily passed law. In fact we can make the penalties stiff, say a month in jail for every person in the chain of command from the clerk up to the governor for each illegal found in possession of state welfare benefits. We can do the same for the city who gives illegals benefits.

    Right now anchor babies get loads of goodies which of course are used by the illegals.

    FYI-drivers licenses for illegal aliens were given to reduce the number of alien drivers who did not necessarilly know the rules and did not pass any of the tests. The licenses specify that the person is not a legal resident.
    Right. Jail the clerk who gives the license. Jail the department manager. Jail the head of the organization. Jail the governor.

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    Re: Deportation Question.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ontologuy View Post


    Your purposeful misconstruence that you're holding on so tightly to .. is obvious.

    Regardless, you have no valid winning argument in the matters we've been discussing.
    Sounds like we're down to the did too, did not level.
    Your posts say what they say.

    Do too.
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    Re: Deportation Question.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post

    Illegal aliens have no right for government protection against dangerous or exploitive work conditions...in fact, they have NO right to work conditions of ANY kind.
    which is why they're in demand to fill unpleasant/difficult/poorly paying jobs like bringing in the harvests or making hotel beds.
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    Re: Deportation Question.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post

    which is why they're in demand to fill unpleasant/difficult/poorly paying jobs like bringing in the harvests or making hotel beds.
    Yes...and as long as those responsible for enforcing our laws allow employers to hire them, that won't change.
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    Re: Deportation Question.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    Yes...and as long as those responsible for enforcing our laws allow employers to hire them, that won't change.
    Exactly.
    What we have is, in reality, a government subsidy for the people who hire illegals in the form of government services that are provided to those illegals.
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    Re: Deportation Question.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    which is why they're in demand to fill unpleasant/difficult/poorly paying jobs like bringing in the harvests or making hotel beds.
    Post #274 wrongly appears to include a quote from me.

    I believe all people everywhere are entitled to basic human rights unless convicted of a crime with a fair trial (or other process). There have been successful enforcement actions against employers that endangered or enslaved their illegal immigrant employees, as there should be.

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    Re: Deportation Question.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    I believe all people everywhere are entitled to basic human rights unless convicted of a crime with a fair trial (or other process).
    What do you consider a basic human right?

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    Re: Deportation Question.

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    What do you consider a basic human right?
    Bill of Rights/Universal Declaration of Human Rights type rights.

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    Re: Deportation Question.

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    The judicial system is not robotic. Prosecutors are not robots, neither are judges, or juries. The circumstances surrounding a crime often come into play when determining the penalty for it.
    Sure. However, one of the circumstances that does not have impact on whether or not you enforce the law is whether or not the law-breaker has kids. What are you going to say to the brother of the dad in this scenario who is childless - sorry Jose, you should have gamed the system better by having an anchor baby or two, now off you go to Mexico?

    The Judicial system isn't perfectly robotic. But it is supposed to be blind. Stripping as much emotionalism out of the process as possible is how we try to make sure that it is just. When emotions and sympathy make justice decisions, you get bias.

    In this case, one has to weigh the crime (coming and working here illegally), the costs to society for those individuals having done so, and the costs to the family should they be deported.
    Incorrect. We have Rule of Law. Not rule of emotion.

    For example, if someone comes here illegally as a drug runner then there are additional costs to society in the actions they took then if they simply came here looking for work, thus you have a much lower odds of being able to stay here if you came here as a drug runner than if you just came here illegally.
    then we should punish you for drug running in addition.

    Moreover, one has to look at the practical implications of doing something. We can certainly strengthen our border security and do a better job of prosecuting those that employ illegal immigrants.
    Sure, except that no one is willing to do so because people like you will insist that it's mean.

    However, deporting millions of illegal immigrants that have been here for a decade or more and have children and families here now is simply not practical. Its not going to happen. Even if we tried to do so it would take decades to get them all through the courts.
    Agreed. We are also not going to be able to catch and prosecute all murders, all low-level identity thefts, all pyramid schemes, all of those who frequent underage prostitutes, or all of those who purchase and sell illegal narcotics. The inability to perfectly enforce the law does not justify the argument that one should not enforce it when you can.

    Point being the issue just isn't as black and white as you might would like it to be.
    This case isn't black and white. But the issue that you are trying to inject into it has and should have zero bearing in a legal proceeding.

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