View Poll Results: Could you deport them personally or not?

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    Re: Deportation Question.

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    As I have pointed out in an earlier post, all crimes are not equal, and our justice system recognizes that. Judges routinely consider the circumstances surrounding a crime when determining the penalties / sentence for that crime. The reason why I bring up the emotional aspects of this is that we are not robots, thus as humans the emotional aspects comes into play. The question is not whether the law says they can be deported, the question is whether if you had to do the dirty work and you have to make the decisions, could you do it. That by definition is a question of conscience. There is no right or wrong answers other than lame attempts at rationalizing it.
    But in your scenario, these 2 people have been working for 15 years with somebody else's SS numbers thereby causing huge financial damage to that individual.

    I think any judge with that case in front of them would send them to jail extremely fast, kids or not.

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    Re: Deportation Question.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    Fines are considered reasonable punishments for non-felonies. Illegal immigration is a non-felony.
    The associated crimes are not.

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    Re: Deportation Question.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mason66 View Post
    It is like that for a reason.

    If you are from Mexico you can't gt a visa unless you can prove you have enough assets in Mexico to make sure you will go back at come point.

    The only reason poor people go to the US is to take advantage of the country and its people.
    I don't disagree - in Canada, we allow entry to about 250,000 immigrants each year - the equivalent in the US would be 2,500,000 based on our comparative populations. In Canada, many of those immigrants are financially attractive, those who are bringing $500,000 plus in investment dollars with them when they come. Another large chunk are those that bring employment skills sorely lacking in the Canadian labour pool. The rest are made up of family unifications, with very strict family sponsorship obligations, and a large number of refugees from the middle east, southeast Asia, etc.

    We need and want immigration in Canada - it's a requirement for us to maintain a healthy social safety net with sufficient young and productive workers paying taxes to survive. But we also don't take on all the problems of the world by opening our borders to everyone in need - it's economically and socially impossible. America needs to find a balance they can live with.
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    Re: Deportation Question.

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Wow, you really have a dim view of South American nations.
    It depends on the country. Nicaragua and Honduras for example have a per-capita GDP of less than 10% of ours. Not exactly lands of opportunity. Hell the median per-capita GDP of Latin American countries is only about 22% of ours here.
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    Re: Deportation Question.

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    Couldn't we show we are serious by really going after those that employ illegal immigrants and doing a better job of securing our border? It seems like we could do that while at the same time recognizing that situations do exist like the one described in the opening post. I think its realistic and practical to go after those that employ illegals and securing our border, I don't its realistic to think we could deport everyone that is already here though.
    Is that like trickle down economics, ,just hoping that the illegals will go back to their country if they can't find work?

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    Re: Deportation Question.

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    It depends on the country. Nicaragua and Honduras for example have a per-capita GDP of less than 10% of ours. Not exactly lands of opportunity. Hell the median per-capita GDP of Latin American countries is only about 22% of ours here.
    Heh, and COL is on par with that, making it a wash.

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    Re: Deportation Question.

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Heh, and COL is on par with that, making it a wash.
    Those are PPP measures, so it takes into account Cost of Living.
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    Re: Deportation Question.

    Quote Originally Posted by SlevinKelevra View Post
    it always seemed to me the easiest and cheapest way to solve the issue is to make the economic climate unfavorable to attract undocumented workers.

    make hiring them a capital crime?
    Arizona tried just that in SB 1070. I wrote a paper detailing just what each different section of that law did, and roughly half of it was devoted to just what you're calling for. One section after another addressed different categories of employers--people who hire day laborers, corporations, employers of live-in domestics, etc. The law contained very detailed schemes for e-verification, record keeping, filing of reports, etc., and set out a wide range of punishments for employers who violated its requirements. The penalties included permanent loss of business licenses, large fines, and even worse.

    And yet this damned liar of a President sued Arizona over the law, and got parts of it struck down in the Supreme Court. Why? Because the Man Who Would Be King does not want this country's immigration laws enforced. President Pinocchio's actions toward Arizona exposed the standard bleat that proposals to prevent illegal immigration are unfair because they pick on poor brown people, while giving businesses a free ride, for what it is--leftist propaganda.

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    Re: Deportation Question.

    If the kids are born in the us are they not citizens. There parents are illegals but the kids are citizens of the us And only the us. They cant be deported. If the kids are citizens i wouldnt deport both parents.

    Anchor babies i think they are calles

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    Re: Deportation Question.

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Maybe you don't hear those things because they are two separate and distinct issues - immigration has nothing to do with illegal aliens. The left wants to conflate them in their never ending need to demonize the other side's motives. Didn't take long to get the racism charges out.
    The issues are related because the near impossibility of legally immigrating if you are poor encourages illegal immigration.

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