View Poll Results: Could you deport them personally or not?

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Thread: Deportation Question.

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    Re: Deportation Question.

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    But deporting the parents while allowing the underage children remain here is cruel and unusual punishment for both the parents and the innocent children.
    Putting a father of underage children, convicted of murder, in a far away prison for the rest of his life is no less cruel and unusual punishment for the innocent children. It is not cruel and unusual punishment for the perpetrators of the crime. Calling deportation and cruel and unusual punishment for an illegal alien who entered your country without legal sanction and proper documentation is idiocy, in my view. Why have any laws protecting the sovereignty of your borders if punishing those who break those laws is considered cruel and unusual?
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    Re: Deportation Question.

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    Who care what the odds are?

    Guess what, the people who founded this country were unlucky once themselves. Then one day they woke up and decided to do something about it. So they fought and then died, so we could later be lucky.

    I pay my dues for being lucky. I'm don't feel guilty about it whatsoever. Your attempt to do that is a waste of time.

    One thing is for certain, as long as cowards run away from their countries problems, they will always be unlucky. One has to wonder how many more generations of unlucky people will be required before they overcome their cultural cowardice, and stop trying to harm other countries and their own children with their greed and self-centeredness.
    I don't feel guilty at all for being born here. However, I do empathize with those that were not so lucky. I guess that's the difference between us on this.
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    Re: Deportation Question.

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    A man and his wife sneak across the border illegally from Mexico. After they live here for a couple of years they have a couple of kids. The kids are now age 9 and 13 and have lived here their whole lives. They don't speak much Spanish. They are enrolled in school and like all kids have friends and play sports and so on. The parents however have never obtained legal status despite the fact they have lived and worked here for 15 years.

    It's entirely up to you, could you personally walk into their home, arrest the parents in front of their kids, bring them up before an immigration hearing where you sit as judge, and then deport them back to Mexico?
    No, but I could make sure it doesnt happen again. Secure the border, dont allow children of illegals to have citizenship or use any public services. Once the children become adults, deport the parents.

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    Re: Deportation Question.

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Criminal Activity carries with it the threat of the punishment ascribed by Society. For illegally entering the country, that crime is deportation, just as it can be the death penalty for murder, or long periods in jail for rape.

    Arguing that people should not face the results of their actions when those results could harm their children is a standard that is completely unacceptable once you begin to rationally look at its implications. Which is precisely why it is only brought to bear for purposes of emotional blackmail.
    The judicial system is not robotic. Prosecutors are not robots, neither are judges, or juries. The circumstances surrounding a crime often come into play when determining the penalty for it. In this case, one has to weigh the crime (coming and working here illegally), the costs to society for those individuals having done so, and the costs to the family should they be deported.

    For example, if someone comes here illegally as a drug runner then there are additional costs to society in the actions they took then if they simply came here looking for work, thus you have a much lower odds of being able to stay here if you came here as a drug runner than if you just came here illegally. Moreover, one has to look at the practical implications of doing something. We can certainly strengthen our border security and do a better job of prosecuting those that employ illegal immigrants. However, deporting millions of illegal immigrants that have been here for a decade or more and have children and families here now is simply not practical. Its not going to happen. Even if we tried to do so it would take decades to get them all through the courts.

    Point being the issue just isn't as black and white as you might would like it to be.
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    Re: Deportation Question.

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Change the crime to fraud, say assuming someone else's identity, would you let them slide because they have nice children?
    I think a more pressing question is what crimes would you not prosecute, of American citizens, if those people have children.

    Why would a person from another country get treated differently that an American citizen just because they have kids?

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    Re: Deportation Question.

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Except you're NOT tearing them apart. The MINOR children would go to CPS custody and then be deported with the parents whose shoulders this falls squarely upon.
    It is more likely the kids would be placed with a close relative. They would be American citizens and not subject to deportation.

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    Re: Deportation Question.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Sure, since there are just so many ways for people living in third world poverty to come to the US legally. Sure.
    So because Latinos in poverty happen to have a convenient land route to illegally enter the country, they're doing and honorable thing and America should just accept them? Third world poverty doesn't only exist in Guatemala, etc. Is it America's responsibility to provide a comfortable life to all the world's children of poverty, or just the ones who can walk over the border?
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    Re: Deportation Question.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Sure, since there are just so many ways for people living in third world poverty to come to the US legally. Sure.
    In poverty? When it takes thousands of dollars to coyote up? How far will that get them and their families in their host country? Maybe to a safe and more prosperous part of their host country, or to one of the other South American countries a hell of a lot closer than the US.

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    Re: Deportation Question.

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    A man and his wife sneak across the border illegally from Mexico. After they live here for a couple of years they have a couple of kids. The kids are now age 9 and 13 and have lived here their whole lives. They don't speak much Spanish. They are enrolled in school and like all kids have friends and play sports and so on. The parents however have never obtained legal status despite the fact they have lived and worked here for 15 years.

    It's entirely up to you, could you personally walk into their home, arrest the parents in front of their kids, bring them up before an immigration hearing where you sit as judge, and then deport them back to Mexico?



    Appeal to sentimentality.

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    Re: Deportation Question.

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Appeal to sentimentality.
    Appeal to humanity is what it is. The question stands, if it was your decision and you had to get your hands dirty, could you do it.
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