View Poll Results: Could you deport them personally or not?

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    Re: Deportation Question.

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    I think that this is an example of something that many people can support in the abstract - deporting illegal immigrants regardless of how long they have been here or what their family situation is here, but few people could do it if was all on them as it would be far too messy and in the end they have to sleep at night.

    If it was entirely my decision, looking some kids in the eye as I tear their family apart is simply not something I could live with myself having done and I would suspect that many people that vote yes in this poll could not actually do it themselves either.
    Are families not broken up when we put people in jail? How can you enforce the law at all when the guiding principle becomes "will treating criminals like criminals hurt the children of criminals"?



    Little Timmy and little Susy (in this example) are American citizens. They deserve to have a nation that protects them and their rights by enforcing its' laws.

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    Re: Deportation Question.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    What a terrible situation.

    You'd think the party of family values would put a stop to such abuses by liberals, wouldn't you?
    Should we stop jailing people who commit identity fraud, rape, or (fill in any criminal violation you like that gets' jail time) due to the fact that doing so would restrict or remove parental access to children?

    Children who are American citizens can travel back with their parents until they reach the age of majority at which point they are American citizens and can come right back here.

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    Re: Deportation Question.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    There are not many ways. It is extremely difficult to immigrate to the United States, and lots of people who would like to do so. We can't possibly take them all on and continue as a modern nation.

    That's why we need real immigration reform that acknowledges that our government has been ignoring the problem for decades, that there are millions of people who would come here in a heartbeat if they could, and that our federal government needs to step up to the plate and put an end to illegal immigration once and for all. Neither separating families, nor deporting people who have lived their whole lives in the US, nor a blanket amnesty for all comers, nor a continuation of the current situation is in the best interests of the Unites States.

    If only we had a functioning Congress, perhaps such reform could be passed.
    I think people need to step back and face one reality. The United States can't possibly absorb every person in the world who wants to come here. We've already seen the negative impact millions of under/uneducated people have had on the economy of this country.

    There is a reason it should be hard to become a legal citizen here. We shouldn't be interested in importing the cultural failure many of these immigrants have created in their own countries, and are now trying to escape from.

    I have no problem with sane, reasonable immigration policy. Temporary work visas, etc., etc.. However, declaring immigration law needs to be reformed simply because they don't allow people to come and go as they please negates the whole purpose of having any law at all.

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    Re: Deportation Question.

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    They lived in a dangerous place with no opportunity and came here looking for work its as simple as that. Its easy to judge people when you get be born here and get all the benefits in life that go along with that.

    Regardless of whether we should deport them or not, the argument you are using is so xenophobic its bordering on sociopathic in its total lack of empathy.
    I think you are confusing his decrial of their actions with a decrial of their ethnicity. Can you demonstrate (for example) ocean515 going on specifically about (for example) how awful Mexicans are vice any other immigrant group, or claiming that we should allow illegal aliens from (fill in desired ethnicity) to remain while illegal aliens from (fill in undesired ethnicity) should be deported?

    Because if not, I think you are falsely accusing him of some fairly vile racism, and may want to consider if you owe him an apology for overreaching in your response.

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    Re: Deportation Question.

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    They lived in a dangerous place with no opportunity and came here looking for work its as simple as that. Its easy to judge people when you get be born here and get all the benefits in life that go along with that.

    Regardless of whether we should deport them or not, the argument you are using is so xenophobic its bordering on sociopathic in its total lack of empathy.
    LOL. Millions lived in a dangerous place, and rather than do anything about it, they ran away to another form of danger so they could steal from someone else.

    You can invent all sorts of fantastical labels for me, but there is no escape from the truth.

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    Re: Deportation Question.

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Are families not broken up when we put people in jail? How can you enforce the law at all when the guiding principle becomes "will treating criminals like criminals hurt the children of criminals"?



    Little Timmy and little Susy (in this example) are American citizens. They deserve to have a nation that protects them and their rights by enforcing its' laws.
    Coming here illegally looking for work is not the same thing is rape, murder, and other crimes which makes one a danger to society. Judges routinely look at the circumstances surrounding a crime when determining the penalty for it.
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    Re: Deportation Question.

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    LOL. Millions lived in a dangerous place, and rather than do anything about it, they ran away to another form of danger so they could steal from someone else.

    You can invent all sorts of fantastical labels for me, but there is no escape from the truth.
    Yes, they should have just fixed the corruption and violence in their own country.... Once again that's quite easy to say when you get to be born in a country where you never had to worry about any of that.

    I grew up poor, quite poor by United States standards. However, I would not judge someone that grew up in say, sub-Saharan Africa because while I grew up poor, growing up on less than a dollar a day at near constant risk of starvation is not an experience that I have thus I can't really judge people that have had such an experience.

    Similarly, I was lucky enough to be born an American. The odds of being born an American is less than 1 in 20, so that's quite a bit of good luck to have been born here. Thus I am not going to judge others that weren't lucky enough to be born here. Sure, I know we can't just take everyone, and I am all for doing a hell of a lot better job securing our borders and prosecuting those that employ illegal immigrants. However, at the same time I know that the individual family level these things get pretty messy.
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    Re: Deportation Question.

    - While the courts seem to uphold the birth citizenship, I for one do not agree that was the original intent. Non citizens giving birth to a child in the US should not automatically give the kid US citizenship.

    - Parents bypassed immigration laws and procedures. I support sending the whole family back to country of origin at their costs.

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    Re: Deportation Question.

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    Yes, they should have just fixed the corruption and violence in their own country.... Once again that's quite easy to say when you get to be born in a country where you never had to worry about any of that.

    I grew up poor, quite poor by United States standards. However, I would not judge someone that grew up in say, sub-Saharan Africa because while I grew up poor, growing up on less than a dollar a day at near constant risk of starvation is not an experience that I have thus I can't really judge people that have had such an experience.

    Similarly, I was lucky enough to be born an American. The odds of being born an American is less than 1 in 20, so that's quite a bit of good luck to have been born here. Thus I am not going to judge others that weren't lucky enough to be born here. Sure, I know we can't just take everyone, and I am all for doing a hell of a lot better job securing our borders and prosecuting those that employ illegal immigrants. However, at the same time I know that the individual family level these things get pretty messy.
    Who care what the odds are?

    Guess what, the people who founded this country were unlucky once themselves. Then one day they woke up and decided to do something about it. So they fought and then died, so we could later be lucky.

    I pay my dues for being lucky. I'm don't feel guilty about it whatsoever. Your attempt to do that is a waste of time.

    One thing is for certain, as long as cowards run away from their countries problems, they will always be unlucky. One has to wonder how many more generations of unlucky people will be required before they overcome their cultural cowardice, and stop trying to harm other countries and their own children with their greed and self-centeredness.

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    Re: Deportation Question.

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    Coming here illegally looking for work is not the same thing is rape, murder, and other crimes which makes one a danger to society.
    Criminal Activity carries with it the threat of the punishment ascribed by Society. For illegally entering the country, that crime is deportation, just as it can be the death penalty for murder, or long periods in jail for rape.

    Arguing that people should not face the results of their actions when those results could harm their children is a standard that is completely unacceptable once you begin to rationally look at its implications. Which is precisely why it is only brought to bear for purposes of emotional blackmail.

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