View Poll Results: Could you deport them personally or not?

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    Re: Deportation Question.

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    OK..... so you are all in favor of rounding up anyone that has had oral sex or anal sex in Louisiana, Alabama, Florida, Idaho, Kansas, Michigan, Mississippi, North Carolina, Oklahoma, South Carolina, Texas and Utah and bringing them before a judge to "face the music" as, after all, breaking the law is breaking the law, people deserve to be held accountable for their actions, period

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    There are many arcane, stupid, unenforceable and not practical to enforce laws on the books. In all things judgement must be applied....
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    Re: Deportation Question.

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    I never argued they haven't done anything wrong. I am saying that its messy, a lot messier than a lot of people will acknowledge. Moreover, we actually do delay prison sentences in some cases for parents with kids, particularly single parents with kids, depending on the crime.
    I do agree it's messy, SD. But unfortunately I'm a little more of the "do the crime do the time" mindset, and you can almost always make a case for the timing of the punishment (jail, deportation, etc.) is going to have a negative impact on someone - employer, spouse, kids, parents, etc.

    You probably think I'm harsh and as a mother myself I can't imagine the pain of kids watching their parents face something like that. But it happens every day in this country, and if we make an exception for this situation, we have to make an exception for every situation.
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    Re: Deportation Question.

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    I am all for strengthening security at the border and am closer to the mainstream Republican position on illegal immigration than I am the mainstream Democratic position on it, but despite the fact the parents broke the law in coming here and live here illegally, I don't think I could sleep at night knowing I put a family through that by deporting them.
    You would be responsible only if you sponsored them to come here. Aside from that, it is they who put themselves into that situation.

    That I think is the fundamental problem with dealing with illegal immigration, many times deporting people does indeed break up families and while its easy to take a hardline in the abstract, its hard to do it if it was actually on you.
    Did they know the risks involved? Were they aware of the possible consequences of their actions?
    You are putting yourself in their current shoes, so I understand your compassion and empathy. But let me ask you about the millions who have worked very hard within the system to come here legally? The ones who learned the language and assimilated and did everything right, the ones who don't ask for 3 for French or 4 for Italian or 5 for Polish. How is it fair to them?
    Here we have one group of people who, by overwhelming numbers, crashed the system until we are now sitting helpless by, wondering what to do.
    So you must ask yourself, is it compassion speaking, or just utter defeat? Let us also ask who is out there with enough integrity and brass to stop this nonsense, once and for all?
    We aren't Mother Theresa and we aren't some charity. We are a nation with laws, laws that are being ignored and trampled upon, snickered about and taken advantage of. It is enough, and it is time to set examples. No more anchor baby status, no more work without documentation, no more 2 for Spanish.
    Breaking the law has consequences. It is as simple as that. That means that those who manipulate the system for their own gain must also be held responsible. Those who hire illegals and cater to them for their own advantage must be brought to justice. From the top down.
    You'd be surprised what happens once you put your foot down somewhere. Just giving up is not the answer.

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    Re: Deportation Question.

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    That's perfectly fine - I didn't say the children should be deported - where would American citizens be deported to? I did say that I would have no problem deporting the parents - the criminals in the scenario provided in the OP. When a father commits any crime, we don't penalize the children so why would I suggest it in this scenario. But let's be realistic - if a father commits any crime and is punished, the spouse and children are often unintended victims of his crime because they too may lose the life they've come to know. They may lose their house, their lifestyle, their friends - doesn't seem fair, does it? They didn't do anything wrong. But we're not going to start allowing people with family obligations to commit crimes and only punish the loners.

    The simple solution in this case is to deport the parents, place the minor children with legal relatives in the country or a willing foster home until such time as the parents complete the legal process for immigrating to the US. After all, those who enter your country illegally don't seem to care about leaving their families behind while they set up base in America, do they? Nor do they seem to have a problem sending their children to your country alone to hook up with relatives or friends, as this year has clearly proven.

    Bottom line, you're getting played by emotional blackmail.
    But deporting the parents while allowing the underage children remain here is cruel and unusual punishment for both the parents and the innocent children.
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    Re: Deportation Question.

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    But deporting the parents while allowing the underage children remain here is cruel and unusual punishment for both the parents and the innocent children.
    The only cruel and unusual punishment involved here is the actions of the greedy self centered parents who knowingly put their children in a terrible situation. Other than turning custody of the children over to a legal relative who lives in the US, the children would likely have to follow their parents back to the country they were deported to.

    At that point perhaps the parents could spend the years that follow explaining why they so willingly screwed their children over.

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    Re: Deportation Question.

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    That assumes that the country of origin will take the kids back when the parents are repatriated. I know Mexico does, but its all dependent on the country of origin's immigration laws. The kids in the scenario in the OP are US citizens while the parents are illegal, US citizens cannot just up and move anywhere, the host country has to agree to take them.
    It could put the family in a difficult situation, couldn't it? If the parent's native land won't take the children as immigrants, then one country considers the parents to be illegal, the other considers the kids to be illegal.
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    Re: Deportation Question.

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    The only cruel and unusual punishment involved here is the actions of the greedy self centered parents who knowingly put their children in a terrible situation.
    They came to the land of opportunity to have their children, as opposed to having them in a country of war, violence, and poverty. How self centered can they be?

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    Other than turning custody of the children over to a legal relative who lives in the US, the children would likely have to follow their parents back to the country they were deported to.
    That's assuming that Aunt Lupe (1) exists, (2) is not an illegal also, and (3) is willing to take on her sister in law's kids when she's trying to raise four of her own.


    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    At that point perhaps the parents could spend the years that follow explaining why they so willingly screwed their children over.
    Kids aren't stupid. They will know who screwed them over.

    Moreover, they're citizens. Once they turn 18, they can vote and run for office.
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    Re: Deportation Question.

    Of course.

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    Re: Deportation Question.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    They came to the land of opportunity to have their children, as opposed to having them in a country of war, violence, and poverty. How self centered can they be?



    That's assuming that Aunt Lupe (1) exists, (2) is not an illegal also, and (3) is willing to take on her sister in law's kids when she's trying to raise four of her own.




    Kids aren't stupid. They will know who screwed them over.

    Moreover, they're citizens. Once they turn 18, they can vote and run for office.
    How self centered? Well, rather than come here legally via many different legal means, they came here illegally, knowing that some day they might be deported. Allowing their children to live under such circumstances is despicable and the lowest of lows. These people have broken the law every minute they have been in this country, which is also a hell of an example to give to their children.

    If Aunt Lupe doesn't exist, then they have a decision to make. Relinquish custody to the state or other responsible party, and leave them here, or take them back with them. That reality was sealed by them when they chose the cowards way out and came here illegally.

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    Re: Deportation Question.

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    How self centered? Well, rather than come here legally via many different legal means, they came here illegally, knowing that some day they might be deported. Allowing their children to live under such circumstances is despicable and the lowest of lows. These people have broken the law every minute they have been in this country, which is also a hell of an example to give to their children.

    If Aunt Lupe doesn't exist, then they have a decision to make. Relinquish custody to the state or other responsible party, and leave them here, or take them back with them. That reality was sealed by them when they chose the cowards way out and came here illegally.
    Sure, since there are just so many ways for people living in third world poverty to come to the US legally. Sure.
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